Guidance counselor said I have no chance at top schools. Native American female artist w/ a 3.4 GPA?

<p>I go to the officially ranked #1 public school in my state
-I have 700+ community service hours at a soup kitchen and a nursing home
-I work 15hours a week at grocery store as cashier and front-end supervisor
-I am an extraordinarily gifted artist (painting and drawing)
-I am the founder of school newspaper and editor of school literary magazine
-I attended the renowned New England Young Writer's Conference at Middlebury College AND Cornell University Summer College
-27 ACT (LOW but a 31 in English)</p>

<p>Where should I apply? I want a university. I applied to Northeastern and UMass EA, and Cornell CALS ED.
I REALLY WANT TO GO TO CORNELL!!! But my guidance counselor thinks I won't be accepted. She also laughed at applying to Harvard, Dartmouth, and Tufts for the heck of it.
Any ideas of great but reachable schools?</p>

<p>She recommended Quinnipiac and Drexel, but with my hooks, both are safeties.</p>

<p>Drexel does not consider ethnicity in admissions, according to <a href=“http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg02_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=407”>http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg02_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=407&lt;/a&gt; , so being Native American would not be a “hook” there.</p>

<p>Both Drexel and Quinnipiac consider “level of applicant’s interest”, so be careful to show interest, particularly if you consider them to be safeties.</p>

<p>Oops, I had thought your ACT was a touch higher (31). That is something that you might try to see if you can cram and improve through the January test date. Your GPA trajectory along with your learning disability will have some pull. I would certainly try at Dartmouth (and maybe Yale, they have an affinity for LD). I had read some not-so-flattering reviews of the value (cost/benefit) of Quinnipiac on other older threads, though I know absolutely nothing about them. Maybe Dr. @juillet has some suggestions for a good psychology or communications undergraduate program, especially near or in New England?</p>

<p>^I thought it was going to be based on a practice test with my tutor. :(</p>

<p>@ucbalumnus‌ I do not like either school.</p>

<p>Do you plan to apply to them?</p>

<p>The decision as to how much weight is placed on “hooks” will be up to admissions. While it is upsetting to hear what your GC is saying, she is actually doing you a favor by advising you to not over-reach, because no matter how accomplished or unique and applicant may be, admission to top colleges is not predictable.</p>

<p>The choice is yours- find some colleges that seem like "safeties’ to you that you could like and apply to them, or continue to only consider top colleges and take that risk. Every year there are sad posts from students who over-reached and ended up with no choice. Some of those students were quite qualified, but qualifications still can’t change the fact that there are more qualified students than there are spaces for them. Students who do not carefully choose safety and match schools that they like, may not be happy if those are the only ones they get into. </p>

<p>Your GC, is really only trying to help by telling you that chances are low at any college that has a less than 10% acceptance rate. You can still take that chance, but you might want to look more at other colleges. You can still apply to the colleges that interest you, but the more choices of schools- including less selective ones- you have, the happier you may be next spring with the outcome.</p>

<p>Are your registered with a tribe? Are you involved with Native American activities? The Native American connection is one that is treated very differently at colleges in terms of URM pools. The reason for this is that there are many, many people who can include Native American ethnicity in their heritages. So the degree of your tribal affiliation can be a factor at some schools. I have no idea which schools have specific pools for NA students as URMs. Do you have anyone at some NA organizations who can help you with the college process and write a recommendation, perhaps touching upon your GC’s reactions to some of the schools you want to consider?</p>

<p>It was unprofessional for your GC to reaction as s/he did to the schools you listed. You should apply to them, if you so want, but be aware that with your stats, they are very low probabilities for accepts. Lower than those who have very high GPAs, having taken the most difficult courses at their schools and getting top Test scores. Though even their chances are low because these schools simply reject far more kids than they accept. But there is no reason for you not to give this an effort. You should see what photos of your art work, if it is considered exceptional to be included with your application.</p>

<p>Here is the situation for ALL students: In addition to highly selective schools like Cornell, Dartmouth, et al, to which I believe you should apply, other colleges of varying selectivity should also be on your list. Where you got Quinnipiac and Drexel, I don’t know, but if you don’t like either school, which are very different from each other, find other schools at that selectivity range that you feel you can like. If selectivity is your most important factor, you, as well as anyone who feels that way, is going to have a problem. The whole thing about the college application process is finding schools at varying selectivities that match what a given student wants. Anyone can cherry pick the name brand list and say those are the schools wanted. The difficult part is finding those schools that do not have the allure, the rep, the ratings that can also give you want you most want. '</p>

<p>Your stats will get you into most of the schools in this country. Go ahead and apply to whatever selective schools you want as lottery tickets. So they are for every one. But you haven’t done your job in finding schools where the chances of your acceptance are very high. There are a lot of schools out there, so you have some work to do. </p>

<p>Will you need financial or merit money to attend? Are your parents involved with you and this process? Above all, you should have at least one, better more, schools that you KNOW are affordable and will take you I don’t look at Drexel and Q, necessarily as safeties. My son had them on his list and one was reach, the other a border line safety, with grades higher than yours but test scores lower. And, he did get into a nice smattering of colleges. </p>

<p>So in addition to the highly selective,well known school on your list, add some where the chances are a lot better for ANYONE to get accepted. Don’t make this personal–Cornell is a crap shoot for most of the applicants as they reject most of them. FInd some schools that give you a half a chance, 75% chance, and most importantly sure things. But they should be schools that you feel you can get what you want. They absolutlely exist, many of them do, but your attitude may need adjusting if you can’t find ANY out of the thousands so out there.</p>

<p>I would still try Dartmouth.</p>

<p>@cptofthehouse‌ according to another post the OP is registered. </p>

<p>In any case, the OP should identify one or more safeties that are for certain for admissions and affordability, as well as being schools desirable to attend by the OP. Otherwise, the default safety is to start at a community college (not necessarily a bad option, but one that should be considered when making the application list, not in April after getting shut out).</p>

<p>It is also not a good idea to overestimate the effect of race or ethnicity as a “hook”, since that can lead to over-reaching or not having any actual safeties other than community college.</p>

<p>@artisticnative‌: I fear we may disagree concerning how “hooked” and how competitive you are for America’s most selective undergraduate institutions. Evidently, you attend a fine secondary school, but you offered neither your GPA nor a synopsis of your curricular rigor – generally, these are THE most critical admissions evaluation factors – which might (??) suggest they are not superior. Further, your ACT results are, quite candidly, mediocre (well below the norms for the most competitive LACs and National Research Universities). While you’re a Native American, you’re neither a recruited athlete nor a legacy (by chance are you a first generation college matriculant?), which may not be a greatly significant “hook.” Further, you indicate that you’re an “extraordinarily gifted artist;” if that’s so, are you applying for a fine arts degree and would the institution’s faculty strongly desire your attendance?</p>

<p>In aggregate, I respectfully suggest your GC’s assessment is fundamentally accurate. Universities like Cornell deny tens-of-thousands of candidates annually, most of whom have qualifications that may substantially surpass yours (I can only judge based upon the information you have provided in this thread). I am not trying to be harsh or insensitive, however perhaps it would be wise to temper your pride with realism? </p>

<p>Apply and let them tell you “no”, given you can afford the fees associated with the applications. </p>

<p>Assuming that you apply to an appropriate number of true ‘matches’ and ‘safeties’, why not apply to a couple of reaches.</p>

<p>Let’s assume your GC is correct and your chances are slim at these schools. They’re zero if you don’t apply, but at worst, you’re expending a few hours and a few dollars.</p>

<p>Now having said this – I’m not sure I’d recommend applying to several ‘extreme reaches’, but one or two – couldn’t hurt (assuming you can deal with the likely rejection well).</p>

<p>@artisticnative‌: I agree, there’s nothing whatsoever wrong with applying; however, for your own wellbeing, please don’t become too “emotionally invested” in admission to an institution that is a far reach.</p>

<p>Okay thanks guys</p>

<p>Any ideas of colleges in the northeast that are matches? ^Do not say I have not done my homework, I HAVE. But my school is different than the others that make up average accepted GPA’s of colleges, AND every college seems to be either too low or too high.</p>

<p>Do you need a match or a safety?</p>

<p>Read “The Gatekeepers”. Native American boy w a D average was admitted by Wesleyan. Of course he flunked out later…</p>

<p>Try looking at the Colleges That Change Lives for some liberal arts colleges that are closer to matches.</p>