<p>Sakky -- you raise a good point but I don't think anyone who is admissible to MIT should be scared of going to Berkeley for Haas and getting rejected when the internal admissions rate is 60%.</p>
<p>Sakky is 100% right.</p>
<p>i wish i went to mit.</p>
<p>my worry with mit is that it is so science-oriented... does everyone who go to sloan pretty much lead a second life as an engineer working on curing aids? with my limited science background, it's probably highly unlikely that mit would even admit me, right? (as in, they dont separate sloan applicants from others)</p>
<p>probably easier to get in if you don't plan on going the math/science route</p>
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Yeah, I remember. Those ruthless words are still fresh in my memory... However, I think I am entitled to cast my comment or correct you when I think you went overboard and do nothing but criticize Berkeley.
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<p>And I am quite entitled to defend myself. I have noted the positives of Berkeley numerous times. I have also noted the negatives of Berkeley numerous times. Hence, if anything, I am a BALANCED poster. Like I've always said, Berkeley has some good and bad points, and readers are entitled to know about all of them.</p>
<p>How many negative comments have you ever made about Berkeley? If you want to search for bias, I suggest looking in the mirror. </p>
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What would I gain for doing that? I am not an alumnus of Cal and neither is anyone in my family. I went to Cambridge for undergrad and Stanford for grad school. Naturally, for someone who has no attachment whatsoever with Cal has no hidden agenda to boost Cal. In fact, in the big games, I always was in the other side of the bleachers and never have i worn blue despite the fact that most of shirts are blue. Cambridge's color is blue (OK, light blue, to be exact ) However, I think some people here just don't have any better things to do but to criticize Cal to death. Cal is not perfect…but no school in the world is.
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<p>Apparently some other people have nothing better to do but whine about non-existent bias. </p>
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Your constant bombardment to Cal is not unusual. That’s the thing here. And that’s what irritates some of the people here who read your posts. While I do not completely rule out your contribution in this thread, I’d appreciate it if you can balance your reporting – report both sides of the story.
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<p>Like you? Oh wait, no you don't. </p>
<p>As for balanced reporting, go through my old posts. You will find some posts where I praise Berkeley. You will find other posts where I criticize Berkeley. That seems pretty darn balanced to me. </p>
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<p>Oh, so you admit that you are not aware of Berkeley? Hence, that means that if I say something negative about Berkeley, then you admit that you don't really know, at least from first-hand experience, whether I'm corect or not, right? I presume that you're not impugning my personal knowledge of Berkeley. </p>
<p>Look, joshua007, at the end of the day, it's the FACTS that matter. I have my opinions as does everybody. We all have the rights to our own opinions. But we don't have the right to our own facts. Even if I was biased, my posts are perfectly legitimate as long as they are factual. If the facts do not play in favor of Berkeley, that's not my fault. I'm just reporting the facts. For those who don't like it, they should work to change the facts. </p>
<p>For example, is it my fault that about 40% of Berkeley undergrads who attempt to get into the Haas School are denied and hence have to major in something they don't really want? That's not my policy, that's the Haas School's policy. If you don't like it, take it up with them. Get them to change the policy. I'm just telling you what the policy is. Nobody asked me what the policy ought to be (and if they did, I would tell them to change it). </p>
<p>Certainly no school is perfect. But that's the point - people should be allowed to have information about just what those imperfections are, and then decide for themselves what to do with that information. I would simply ask you - what exactly have I said that is actually factually wrong?</p>
<p>Both are strong schools, both have good business programs, and both programs are extremely small (and therefore quite competitive to get into). In the undergraduate business programs, there are only 292 students at Sloan (MIT) and only 700 (juniors and seniors) at Haas (Berkeley). This should give you an idea of how competitive each school is.</p>
<p>If you are not from California, you are also at a serious disadvantage in getting into Haas. Over 80% of those admitted are California residents (85% of all Berkeley students are California residents).</p>
<p>The average SAT scores for the undergraduate business majors are 1477/1600 at Sloan and 1341/1600 at Haas (although it should be noted that the MIT students could take the best of multiple SAT sittings, while the scores at Haas represent the best "single sitting" score.</p>
<p>Sloan's students major in finance, information technologies, operations research, or marketing science, while Haas provides no separate "concentration" program--everyone takes the same business "core" courses to graduate, but Haas has electives in finance, accounting, legal studies, marketing, entrepreneurship, non-profit management, real estate and international trade.</p>
<p>Oh, and since I know someone will ask:</p>
<p>The median starting salary out of Sloan two years ago was $55,000 and out of Haas was $53,000--I don't have any later numbers.</p>
<p>^^^
If I recall correctly, the numbers out of school are $60K for Sloan and $55K for Haas in the most recent rankings.</p>
<p>If you want to look at rankings, the latest BW rankings (below) have Haas at 3 and MIT/Sloan at 6. Perennially, I think, USNWR has had Sloan following Wharton and outranking Haas.</p>
<p>To OP: I think there are a couple of things to consider for you in making your decision. These schools are broadly equivalent in terms of ranking/prestige/etc. with the edge in general prestige I would think going to MIT because getting into MIT generally is tougher than getting into Berkeley generally.</p>
<p>What you should consider are a couple of things, IMO:</p>
<p>1) Location and school. Berkeley and MIT are really different in feel. Haas' newish campus is really beautifully situated in Berkeley. It is a very nice place to go to school. But maybe you want to be in Cambridge and/or in the tech-geek atmosphere of MIT (or however you want to characterize that). I don't know the Sloan campus within the MIT campus and how it stacks up. Visit both, get a feel for both. This is a style thing that should be left entirely up to you in your mind. But on both campuses visit Sloan and visit Haas, of course, because I imagine both are different from the overall campus feel.</p>
<p>2) The admissions to Haas, which was first raised in this thread I think by Sakky. I think this is a really important issue, though I think it's an oversimplification or total mis-specification in my opinion to say ipso facto Sloan is better than Haas because of this. What it points to is that going to Berkeley and counting on getting into Haas is risky, perhaps very risky. This must be taken into consideration. On the other hand, one could argue that selecting 2 years into college in admissions specifically dedicated to business school reaps a student body that is a better student body, not in terms of test scores necessarily, but in that ineffable quality called "personality." That is, after all, what business schools often really select for at the MBA level, for example, more than raw smarts. When I've worked with Haas undergrads and MIT Sloan undergrads, I've always recognized that Sloan undergrads are just damned smart, but not always your typical business school types. Haas undergrads tend to be real go-getters, if I could make a generalization. These are anecdotal observations. I have heard from people who have taught them that Haas undergrads are great to teach because they are really switched on. I have much more experience with Haasers vs. Sloaners, full disclosure.</p>
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