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<p>^^ which explains why I can’t think of a single HS classmate who applied there. I attended a private HS in NYC…we didn’t much care about the whole “living in NYC” thing, I guess.</p>
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In many years here I’ve never heard anyone report proof being required of them. It would require a high degree of cooperation among schools to prevent attendance anywhere, and actually sounds illegal to me (not a lawyer!). I also can’t imagine schools being so vindictive. </p>
<p>It’s easier to imagine that some schools will not admit full-pay applicants RD who have been admitted ED to some schools, and the ED admission being revoked if they try.</p>
<p>May I suggest you look into FORDHAM UNIVERSITY? Their Lincoln Center campus is right in the thick of NYC, a block from Central Park, walking distance from the theater district, tree hugging atmosphere… and a way better rep than Pace. </p>
<p>My daughter always expected that she would go to NYU, she loves NYC and theater. But we made her look at other schools in the area because we knew we couldn’t afford NYU. As soon as she walked around Fordham, she was sold. It was the only school she applied to.</p>
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<p>I would suggest looking at the fields in which it is ranked at the top, Applied Mathematics, Finance, International Business, International Law, Tax Law etc. These are fields in which it is not uncommon for people to make annual incomes in the seven, eight and nine figure range.</p>
<p>Almost entirely at the graduate level.</p>
<p>With such wonderful schools that have superb programs in environmental science and conservation (from Warren Wilson to Evergreen to many of the state universities), I can’t really understand why NYU and BU and William and Mary and St. John’s are even part of the conversation.</p>
<p>Is there anyone who has ever heard of anyone going to NYU because of their program in environmental sciences?</p>
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<p>No, but, around these forums, it seems very common for students to dream of going to NYU for the New York experience, with academic appropriateness and financial sensibility being afterthoughts.</p>
<p>^^^Yes, I know someone who goes to NYU for Environmental Science. Apparently they have a strong program. Didn’t pick NYU because of the city. And loves his experience there and has had great education and internships…</p>
<p>OP again. Daughter looked at some really great environmental programs – Eckard and SUNY ESF among others – and rejected them becuase she wants an urban college experience far away from the DC area where we live. </p>
<p>Many of our VA schools have good science programs, but she cannot let go of the idea of the idea of living New York. Contradictory, yes. But this is a kid who has always been stubborn and mulish and needed to learn things on her own, the hard way. At worst, her dad and I figure she will endure a year at a school that is not a good fit or that doesn’t challenge her enough. She’ll figure it out.</p>
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<p>After which it is uncertain whether she will be able to get good financial aid if she transfers.</p>
<p>If she’s looking for an urban experience away from the DC area, it sounds like BU is her best bet, if the money works out.</p>
<p>kpgriswold: My son dreamed Ivy/MIT/Duke. Got into several excellent schools, including William & Mary. But W & M offered just loans. My son wants to attend law/grad school. He took a National Merit offer to an OOS public. He’ll graduate debt free, and the opportunities that he has had are unreal – from study abroad to student government to working for the honors college to an on-campus internship/job to winning a prestigious scholarship that provides a government internship this summer.</p>
<p>Yes, he really wanted to attend some of those other schools, but we pointed out that he had a younger brother at home who also wanted to go to college. If he chose another school, he paid the loans – they would be put in his name. He is not a fan of debt, so the National Merit offer was the best. We’ve already clued in the second kid – the loans are his, not ours. That is something you may need to explore.</p>
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<p>With all due respect, there are much worse consequences. Transfer Financial aid is typically not as good as freshman. Letting a child figure out how to spend this much money is insane. </p>
<p>I know it is hard to say no, but I think you need to tell her if SHE insists on turning down W & M, she needs to take a gap year and reapply to a number of schools in NYC and see what aid she can get. Alternatively you could offer summer in the city at NYU or Fordham.</p>
<p>momreads, the amount of loans OP is talking about will have to be either PLUS loans or guaranteed by parents. So if kid cant pay, the lender WILL come after you, no matter what the arrangment is between you and the student.</p>
<p>Columbia was D1’s ED choice, but ultimately it didn’t work out. She ended going to Cornell, a complete different setting than Columbia. She couldn’t have been happier with her 4 years college experience. She is now living and working in NYC. She is really enjoying it, with little time she has after work, she is able to try out many great restaurants in the city, take dance lessons, go to museums, shopping, many things the City has to offer, which all cost money. </p>
<p>NYU is the top choice at D2’s international school, but most of those kids will have a nice apartment in the city, with plenty of resource to enjoy what the city has to offer.</p>
<p>I think it is better to work in NYC than to go to school, she would be able to enjoy it more, and it would be easier on your wallet too.</p>
<p>This is an offshoot of the thread I started yesterday. It got a little sidetracked, so I am starting fresh here.</p>
<p>My D made some impulsive and perhaps unwise application decisions based on fantasy and emotions rather than on logic. She was rejected ED by her first choice, then was admitted by (ED II) but will have to turn down her 2nd choice for financial reasons. From what I have read in the various forums here, her 3rd and 4th choices may be a repeat of #2, where she gets admitted but does not receive enough fin aid to allow us to send her.</p>
<p>She’s got two admissions on the table that come with fin aid – one good, one great – but one is an excellent state school that is her last choice because it is a state school and the other is a mediocre OOS school in her preferred location while she is a top 10% student. She is also now applying (rolling admission) to another mediocre school in the same location just to see what happens. </p>
<p>We got some great suggestions for places she SHOULD have applied, but it is too late for this year. The idea of a gap year sent her into hysterics, so that is a no-go. </p>
<p>What might you advise my student to do at this point? Bear in mind that this is a very stubborn first-born, so there is no “making her,” “telling her,” or “letting her” involved. We can only suggest and then veto by holding the purse strings.</p>
<p>Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?</p>
<p>There are a few threads that have schools with later deadlines, or rolling admissions:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/291196-list-colleges-application-dates-2-1-later.html?highlight=later+deadlines[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/291196-list-colleges-application-dates-2-1-later.html?highlight=later+deadlines</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1286273-lacs-late-extended-deadlines.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/1286273-lacs-late-extended-deadlines.html</a></p>
<p>It is a scary thing that decisions made back in Oct/Nov/Dec seem irreparable in March/April/May, but that is not entirely true. One student last year did an incredibly turnaround late in the season, made a whole new list, applied, was accepted, and is very happy. </p>
<p>I can see where your D might not want a gap year. Kids who want to go to college want to GO. I would say that you should have a good talk about being prepared to transfer - it is hardly shameful, and sometimes is a great, and surprising, experience. I would recommend taking the least expensive route, and having her continue to keep thinking about what it is that she wants most, and take the steps next year to make a move. She could get the best of both worlds that way.</p>
<p>You can get a lot of good advice here. Good luck!!</p>
<p>From your other thread, I know your D is yearning to go to NYC, and you’re yearning to stay out of debtor’s prison. Have you looked into CUNY (City University of NY)?. Hunter College, CCNY, and Baruch (I think) are the 3 branches in Manhattan. Hunter has a dorm of sorts, though I’ve heard it has no communal atmosphere at all. Otherwise, they’re all commuter schools. CCNY is in a formerly very gritty neighborhood that is probably much safer now. It’s historically attracted lots of “nontraditional” older students who may be juggling jobs and kids and can’t graduate in 4 years. Baruch is mostly business-oriented. All are commuter schools. Tuition would be very low, even for a non-NYC resident, but rent (except the dorm - don’t know the cost) is of course insane.
Pace is largely a commuter school with - I think - many older and vocationally oriented students. St. Johns is in Queens, which I’m sure is not what your daughter envisions when she thinks of NYC.</p>
<p>I have a stubborn child, so I understand where you’re coming from. At the same time, being stubborn is not an excuse for being unrealistic. So you start by telling her, “Honey, this is what we will be able to afford. We will need to evaluate all of these offers with that in mind.” If there are deal breakers for you other than money, you should be clear about those, as well. Then it’s up to her.</p>
<p>If she likes the “mediocre” OOS school and thinks she would do well there, why not be open to her attending? Unless it’s truly marginal, if she saw fit to apply there presumably it’s a school she likes for some reason. If she were my daughter, I’d also suggest evaluative visits. You don’t say whether she’s visited any of these schools; has she? If she has, has she attended canned events or actually spent some time in class and among students? Would additional visits help? </p>
<p>The links above to schools with later acceptance dates may be helpful if you feel there’s a possibility that none of the schools she’s applied to will work out. </p>
<p>In the end, when all the acceptances are on the table, if there are none that are acceptable, you ask your D what she thinks her options are.</p>
<p>Why is it that going to a state school turns her off? The state school she got into is excellent and should definitely be considered. Perhaps she thinks that going to a state school has some sort of negative connotations?</p>
<p>I agree that the state school she got into is a wonderful place. </p>
<p>I have a friend who could have afforded to send her brilliant son absolutely anywhere. He chose William and Mary, had a great experience and is now in a very high end PhD program.</p>