<p>The only school with winning record against every opponent</p>
<p>As a result of this season's seven league wins, Harvard now has a winning record against every other Ivy League football team since league play was formalized in 1956. The Harvard records in wins, losses, and ties against Ivy opponents are:</p>
<p>Brown: 32-17-0</p>
<p>Columbia: 40-8-1</p>
<p>Cornell: 24-23-2</p>
<p>Dartmouth: 25-22-2</p>
<p>Penn: 29-19-1</p>
<p>Princeton: 24-23-2</p>
<p>Yale: 25-23-1</p>
<p>How come Cornell is so good? Large enrollment?</p>
<p>I disagree. A kicker from my school is being recruited by Harvard, but he's not sure he wants to go there b/c he says their football team stinks (obviously in comparison to large state schools, but he was comparing them to other ivy leagues--but of course he would go to Harvard for other reasons). At least in recent years, the ivy football standings have been so random. Harvard may be on top one year and at the bottom of the barrel the next. Maybe they were dominant in the early years of intercollegiate sports, but this is no longer the case.</p>
<p>How many Ivy League players (from any of the Ivy League colleges) are now playing in the NFL? Matt Birk (Harvard) plays as starting center for my town's team.</p>
<p>I am willing to wager that there are currently more NFL players from, say, the University of Texas than, say, Harvard in the NFL. Out of Ivy League schools, I would guess that no more than six members (probably somthing more like three) of each graduating class goes on to pursue a career in professional sports.</p>
<p>byerly - who cares?</p>
<p>USC would own</p>
<p>I bet Penn State could wreck Harvard...actually you never know these days</p>
<p>Actually, according to USA Today, Harvard had the top amateur football team in the nation (#37 overall; Penn State ranked #63 overall).</p>
<p>All higher-ranked teams used salaried players.</p>
<p>Amusing tidbits from the Atlanta Constitution- football recruits</p>
<p>"Jeff Witt, QB, Parkview: Witt (6-0, 200) led the Panthers to the Class AAAAA finals, passing for 1,700 yards and 18 TDs, and rushing for seven scores. Was named first-team all-Gwinnett. A 4.0 student, Witt will attend Harvard and play football. "Before I went up [to Harvard]," Witt said recently, "I had an idea maybe they would be kind of nerdy. But they were just absolutely normal in every way." Conclusion: Makes the right decisions at the right times."</p>
<p>......</p>
<p>"Eric Schultz, LB, Greater Atlanta Christian: Schultz (6-0, 225), an all-state pick, plans to play at Harvard. Had a team-high 107 tackles and five sacks and also scored three rushing TDs. "They have such a great group of coaches, and you get to win some championships, too," Schultz said of Harvard, which went 10-0 and won the Ivy League last season. "It seemed like the right place to go." Conclusion: Smart playmaker; must be what Harvard was looking for."</p>
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<p>And another amusing quote from young Mr. Witt:</p>
<p>"Jeff Witt quarterbacked Parkview to the Class AAAAA title game, scored 1450 on his SAT and carries a 4.0 grade point average.</p>
<p>But one seemingly simple question leaves him fumbling for the right words: "Where are you going to college?"</p>
<p>The not-so-simple answer: Harvard.</p>
<p>"When you tell somebody that, you kind of sound like you're bragging," Witt said. "The guys up there that I met, they call it the 'H-bomb.' "</p>
<p>The Ivy League does not play actual football. </p>
<p>It's more of "an entertainment", somewhat like real football but lacking the players with adequate size, skill and intensity.</p>
<p>Not an unpleasant experience for the viewer except for those who appreciate excellence in the sport.</p>
<p>Harvard outranked a number of semi-professional, salaried teams this year, including Stanford, BYU, Pitt, Northwestern, Oregon, Alabama, Penn State and others.</p>
<p>Stanford has won pretty much every Harvard-Stanford matchup in sports (usually by HUGE margin); I doubt football would be an exception. ;)</p>
<p>Maybe the nonconference games should be set up so that each year's previous U.S. News top ten all play one another in football, to further confuse the issue of bragging rights. ;)</p>
<p>yea ivy league football is like flag football in 6th grade =P</p>
<p>There needs to be LESS professionalization in college sports, and SHORTER seasons, and LESS travelling .... not more.</p>
<p>Byerly: agree 110% about "less traveling". Students miss too many classes, too much study time.</p>
<p>Regarding that ranking you mentioned: My quick read could not find any Harvard opponent that was ranked better than 140-150. Even if Harvard wins all its games, how can anyone justify a ranking better than 120-130?</p>
<p>You're a numbers guy...how does that work?</p>
<p>Wait, no college team gets salaried, you must mean like the philadelphia comets right?</p>
<p>Byerly, your mindless obsession with "rankings" and "salaries" is amusing and sickening at the same time.</p>
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<li><p>If you believe those Sagarin rankings (particularly where H is placed), then you know absolutely nothing about college football. But then again, you seem to believe that H has the #37 football team in the nation because "the ranking says so" ... just like you seem to believe H has the #x (fill in the department being compared) in the nation because "the ranking says so." At least your behavior is consistently bizarre.</p></li>
<li><p>Non-Ivy student-athletes receive scholarships to attend college. Some are serious students, others are not ... of course there is some correlation with the university. It is obnoxious and judgmental to refer to them as "salaried." Perhaps students on academic scholarships are salaried as well? Or students on financial aid? Or the numerous Ivy league student-athletes who mysteriously receive enormous "financial aid" packages?</p></li>
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<p>We clearly have a different view about these matters. </p>
<p>These so-called "athletic scholarships" are salaries because they are nothing but payments for services rendered. Let these "scholars" stop showing up for practice and see how quickly their so-called "scholarships" are pulled. </p>
<p>No play = NO PAY!!</p>
<p>I think I'm being clear-eyed about this issue, not "judgmental" ... whereas you seem to be of the angry "don't ask, don't tell" persuasion.</p>
<p>That's all right, brother "alum" ... you gotta RIGHT!!</p>
<p>But man, you also gotta lot of anti-Harvard, anti-Summers hostility! Simmer down, old chap!
<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showpost.php?p=370170&postcount=40%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showpost.php?p=370170&postcount=40</a></p>
<p>It is curious that all your posts save one are attacks on various aspects of Harvard - on the Harvard page! Makes one wonder just a TEENY bit about where you're coming from and why!! Do you perchance have another alias for posting positive comments about other school(s) on other threads?</p>
<p>ha ha ha, byerly fights back, this could get interesting</p>