<p>i don't agree with the OP but some of these counter arguements are ridiculous. Rice isn't as great as Harvard because it's in...Texas? Please don't tell me that you assume that Texas doesn't have areas that thrive on academia. I live right near Rice, and I can tell you it's a very stimulating and thriving area. Is it as good as harvard? in my opinion, no. But Texas=bad is one of the stupidest assumptions ever.</p>
<p>
[quote]
Please tell me you're joking. The acerage sat score at Rice is like 1420, at Harvard it's like 45 points higher.</p>
<p>A 45 point difference in average SAT score does not matter. Only a 90 point difference actually indicates a true difference in skill level.
[/quote]
</p>
<p>
[quote]
Rice students are not any less "stellar" that Harvard students, as noone cares about a 45 points difference in SAT score.
[/quote]
</p>
<p>You do know that top schools use other data as significant admissions critera in addition to SAT right? Maybe it is just my experience, but the kids who usually get into Harvard don't just have numbers. They won some national awards or conducted research during summer at local universities.</p>
<p>
[quote]
Jobs don't care where you went to graduate school as long as you went somewhere with a 35 percent or less acceptance rate.</p>
<p>You really think a law firm is going to care whether or not you graduated from Harvard or Vandy?
[/quote]
</p>
<p>I would actually somewhat agree with this statement. Between top schools, employers will put much more emphasis on your personal profile than your school attended. But, you are presuamably assuming that Harvard people are just there for the name. They are there for superior education, superior peer groups, superior learning experience, and other intangible benefits in addition to the name.</p>
<p>First of all, Boston is much more universally liked. Secondly, If you want to say Harvard is overrated... That's fine. I can't honestly believe you think Rice is a better all around school than Harvard. It may certainly be a better FIT for some students. It may certainly have a better ATMOSPHERE (Subjective). It is very bold to say that under any circumstances Rice is a better ALL AROUND school than Harvard. </p>
<p>You sound like a freaking lobbyist.</p>
<p>Damn, then why not go to BU? :)</p>
<p>I would argue the other way around, that Rice is an all around better school, but Harvard is clearly superior in specific respects, which have already been mentioned.</p>
<p>Harvard is so far superior in those respects that even with its obvious failings it is still on a completely different level. </p>
<p>I know how underrated Rice is. What continually surprises me is that people quite easily rank Emory in their mock top 25's, which I could care less about, but they neglect Rice.</p>
<p>Hmm, maybe I do care. </p>
<p>Well, I know how neglected Rice is when it comes to national attention, but a better overall school than Harvard? Yale too? Stanford?</p>
<p>"You do know that top schools use other data as significant admissions critera in addition to SAT right? Maybe it is just my experience, but the kids who usually get into Harvard don't just have numbers. They won some national awards or conducted research during summer at local universities."</p>
<p>Rice IS a top school. The point the poster who said Harvard has "more stellar" students, so you should go there intead or Rice, which is just ridiculous. Plenty of people at Rice are just as qualified as Harvard undergrads, and even if some of them didn't win any national awards, that does not take away the fact that the intellectual atmosphere at Rice is not inferiror in any way. Seriously, who cares whether or not you are surrounded by people who won national awards, as long as they are intelligent, hardworking, and good people? What, because some kid won a national spelling bee, his greatness is going to rub onto you?</p>
<p>It is ridiculous to say that Harvard offers a more intellectual and better experience because it is slightly more selective. Actually, Rice students are better to interact with because they actually care about learning and discussing subjects instead of listening in huge lecture halls to undergrad proffesors that don't care about them.</p>
<p>This is like saying Ray Allen is a better player than Kobe because he shoots better...</p>
<p>Apparently, many Harvard students don't feel that Harard is een near how it's cracked up to be.
<a href="http://www.*********.com/thread.php?...c=8&forum_id=1%5B/url%5D">http://www.*********.com/thread.php?...c=8&forum_id=1</a></p>
<p>Learning shouldn't be about being a cog in a system. All these students are being lied to and told by the US news that going to HArvard means a top-flight incredible education, but in all honesty teachers' dealing with you is simply detrimental to what they realy want, to continue their research.</p>
<p>, Rice, are all far superior in the fact that they treat students as individuals and do not force you to attend huge lectures.</p>
<p>It's sickening, all these people obsessing over whether they will get into Harvard or not, when the school they are yearning for actually doesn't care about undergrads.</p>
<p>Harvard is in no way better for udergrads, unless you are obsessed with prestige and bragging rights, which isn't a good way to live your life anyways.</p>
<p>Ummm so I'm guessing the OP either a) got rejected from Harvard or other ivies, or b) didn't even apply because he/she would not have had much of a chance.</p>
<p>Seriously... how is this pages long. In MOST aspects, Harvard>Rice. I'm talking about in terms of quality of student body (guess what, the average Harvard student is going to be harder working and more intellectual than the average Rice student. Get used to it), job/grad school placement (there are plenty of stats to show that Harvard grads go on to make more money, since that is the closest thing we have to measuring success), etc.</p>
<p>Rice is a good school. Harvard, for all intensive purposes, is better by most norms. Deal with it. Maybe some people are like the OP and live by different norms which places Rice above Harvard. But for them, I wish them all the luck in their little fantasy land. In today's society, Harvard is better. In the OP's ideal society, it wouldn't be. But we don't live in that, now do we. Done.</p>
<p>Another Rice freshman in the fall here. Gawd i feel embarrassed looking at this thread. harvard may be somewhat overrated, but rice isn't "far superior" compared to harvard like the dumb*ss OP says.</p>
<p>"Seriously... how is this pages long. In MOST aspects, Harvard>Rice. I'm talking about in terms of quality of student body (guess what, the average Harvard student is going to be harder working and more intellectual than the average Rice student. Get used to it)"</p>
<p>How does that make Harvard a better school? The scores for Harvard and Rice students are almost the exact same, Harvard may be a couple points higher, but it doesn't matter.
,
" job/grad school placement (there are plenty of stats to show that Harvard grads go on to make more money, since that is the closest thing we have to measuring success), "</p>
<p>Yeah, who cares if you hate your job, money is the most important thing, everyone knows that, you should always go for whatever has the most money instead of doing what you love. Employers will NEVER hire someone because he went to Rice for undergrad instead of Rice. </p>
<p>"Rice is a good school. Harvard, for all intensive purposes, is better by most norms. Deal with it. Maybe some people are like the OP and live by different norms which places Rice above Harvard. But for them, I wish them all the luck in their little fantasy land. In today's society, Harvard is better. In the OP's ideal society, it wouldn't be. But we don't live in that, now do we. Done."</p>
<p>Yes, if you love being taught by TA's in large lecture halls, having the professors not know who you are, having a faculty that does not care about undergrads, Harvard is the perfect place to be an undergrad, I agree completely.</p>
<p>jmanco, SHUT THE **** UP. OK. you are dragging both schools through the mud. They are both great schools, and both have aspects that are better than the other. Like a million posters have already said on this thread, different students will fit in better at one of the schools. You claim to hate all the prestige whores at Harvard, yet you are just clamoring for prestige for Rice. I'm going to Rice in the fall, and comfortable with the fact that Rice may not be as prestigious as Harvard, a large part due to its location. I'M FINE WITH THAT. That's right, I dont care if someone tells me that Harvard rules and Rice is worse, I've made my choice and I fit in better at Rice, than at a place like Harvard.
I'm so ****ed that I dont care if I get banned for this post.</p>
<p>Personally, I'm think that jmanco is actually a lobbyist for Yale.... Rice is just a red herring.</p>
<p>Ooops that should have been an I and not an I'm in my previous post. Darn my state school education.... :)</p>
<p>Can we get this guy banned through a communal voting ceremony or something?</p>
<p>"The tribe has spoken" kind of thing?</p>
<p>Look dude. The original claim you made was... "Rice is far superior to Harvard". That is something that does not make any sense at all. Especially since you live in Houston. </p>
<p>Just go to Rice. You're different from the other CCers who think it's HYPS or nothing. I guess diversity is good.</p>