<p>I asked second? Darn it.</p>
<p>Allow me to propose a simple test. Let's go to the HBS alumni database and let's report how many total alumni (including doctoral students and exec-ed) graduated from, say, Abilene Christian College for undergrad. If you're connected to HBS, then you should have no problem in accessing this information.</p>
<p>I am going to report the answer as "6". You can either tell me that I am right, or you can tell me that I am wrong and then report the number that you actually think it is.</p>
<p>Clear your inbox. I tried PMing you.</p>
<p>wildflower, why the secrecy? we're all interested in your level of expertise here.</p>
<p>What secrecy? And ... what expertise? And who's "we"? :)</p>
<p>Sakky, I wouldn't mind seeing the all-time rank of HBS undergrad affiliation. (let's say top 30)</p>
<p>Also, is there data on employer-prior-to-HBS information? (ie. how many mckinsey, bcg... ranked)</p>
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<p>Email your answer to me.</p>
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<p>Well, I don't know about the top 30 (that's a lot), but I can give you top 15 for all programs (MBA, doctoral, exec-ed)</p>
<pre><code>Harvard University (3555)
Yale University (1562)
Princeton University (1353)
Stanford University (1238)
Mass. Inst. of Tech. (1070)
Penn., University of (919)
Cornell University (793)
Dartmouth College (798)
Brown University (755)
Calif, U of,Berkeley (573)
Mich, U of,Ann Arbor (509)
U.S. Naval Academy (487)
Duke University (444)
U.S. Military Academy (466)
Williams College (441)
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<p>Nah, there's only post-graduation employer. And even that is not so easy to interpret as for some it would mean the employer they worked for immediately after graduation and for others, the employer they are working for right now (which may not be the same as their immediate post-grad employer).</p>
<p>Wildflower,</p>
<p>Well based on what everyone else says, it seems that this program isn't for econ majors. But is it different for me since I'm also a science major too?
Yes I am submatriculating in a program at Penn and getting my Masters in 4 years.</p>
<p>Pa_student, like I've said, why apply to 2+2 when people can get in right out of undergrad?</p>
<p>Can you really get in straight right out of undergrad?
But ideally I'd like to work for 2 years THEN go back...</p>
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<p>Read my prior posts.</p>
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<p>Why, if you can get in immediately?</p>
<p>Hey sakky - check your email (whatever account is associated with your CC account)</p>
<p>Will Harvard recalculate my GPA?</p>
<p>I only ask because there are a couple courses during our "short term" unit that don't count towards my Bates GPA (since those classes are meant to help you "explore" your interests) - but I received an A and an A+ respectively, which will raise my GPA somewhat. I know colleges recalculate GPAs according to their formulas - do B-schools do the same?</p>
<p>I'm thinking about applying for the 2+2 program. I'm a female, English major, and my mom went to HBS (does legacy even matter to b-schools?). My GPA will probably be around a ~3.56 when I apply, with a strong upward trend. I had a rough adjustment to college, and if you discount my first semester freshman year, my GPA would be ~3.75.</p>
<p>I plan to take a GMAT prep course over Xmas break. I'm a good standardized test taker and I did well on the SATs (broke 700 on each section) so I expect and hope that I'll do at least the median by Harvard's standards, if not better.</p>
<p>What do you guys think?</p>
<p>Also I was planning on taking intro macro and micro next semester (to keep my options open for b-school). Would you recommend waiting on that and taking them later so I seem more unusual?</p>
<p>I'm also Indian, which I know will hurt.</p>
<p>"I only ask because there are a couple courses during our "short term" unit that don't count towards my Bates GPA (since those classes are meant to help you "explore" your interests) - but I received an A and an A+ respectively"</p>
<p>There is someone on the HBS admissions team who went to Bates. They'll know of your situation. That said, an extra A and A+ are unlikely to make a difference on the overall application.</p>
<p>"My GPA will probably be around a ~3.56 when I apply, with a strong upward trend. I had a rough adjustment to college, and if you discount my first semester freshman year, my GPA would be ~3.75."</p>
<p>A 3.56 GPA provided everything else is strong probably won't keep you out. But it's certainly not a strong GPA for 2+2.</p>
<p>"hope that I'll do at least the median by Harvard's standards, if not better."</p>
<p>If you think you can get 700, go for it.</p>
<p>"I'm also Indian, which I know will hurt."</p>
<p>It won't hurt; but it won't help. Good luck.</p>
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<p>Really? Who would that be? Do you have a name?</p>
<p>Wildflower, would you like to answer my previously posed question of whether you can access the HBS database?</p>
<p>Oddly enough they make a strong difference in my GPA - unless you discount freshman year. Go figure. Other things are strong (I had an internship last year, I'm very involved in campus activities and volunteer work, my campus job is communications/marketing related, and I can likely get stellar recommendation letters) but I'm worried my GPA will keep me out - so is an upward trend looked on favorably in b-school admissions, as it is in college admissions? Is it even worth it applying as an English major?</p>
<p>"Really? Who would that be? Do you have a name?"</p>
<p>You should know, Sakky. :)</p>
<p>I do have a name, and so does that assistant director of admissions; but I won't post neither on this forum. </p>
<p>"Wildflower, would you like to answer my previously posed question of whether you can access the HBS database?"</p>
<p>Not really. Feel free to draw any conclusions you may like, though, Sakky. </p>
<p>"Oddly enough they make a strong difference in my GPA - unless you discount freshman year."</p>
<p>Does your school calculate them? If these grades are calculated by your school and appear on your transcript's cumulative GPA, then, yes, that's the grade you will report when you apply. If not, then, no. You report whatever GPA your school says you have</p>
<p>That said, when you apply you'll do a self-reported transcript which does not include a cumulative GPA. A grade-trend will be noticeable there.</p>
<p>"but I'm worried my GPA will keep me out ... Is it even worth it applying as an English major?"</p>
<p>Don't worry about it; a 3.5 is unlikely to keep you out. And an English major should not pose a problem. As I am sure you have read, 2+2 is supposed to be for liberal arts majors and science/engineering kids. Again, don't worry, just put your best application forward and let the gods decide...</p>
<p>that huge sucking sound you hear is not your jobs going to Mexico, it is Wildflower's credibility as an HBS expert vanishing into thin air.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Ross Perot</p>
<p>PS - sakky, i heart you, please get back to me :)</p>