Havard 2+2

Graduate School Business School - MBA
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<p>"you should really not do this."</p>

<p>You are clearly having a tough time reasoning--and understanding what constitutes evidence for an argument and what doesn't. But not only do you seem unable to comprehend or realize the futility of your enterprise, you now seek to become a moral authority? And you call me amazing...? </p>

<p>Were your engineering exams all open-book?</p>

<p>"despite your personal attacks on me"</p>

<p>Perhaps my memory fails me, but I have not attacked you at all. Though I am not surprised you fail to realize that too.</p>

<p>"you continue to amaze me"</p>

<p>What can I say, simple-minded people are easy to impress.</p>

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<p>Just to be fair, Sakky also claimed to have intimate knowledge of MIT, Harvard, Berkeley and no one has asked him to prove anything. Is he an engineer? MBA student? law student? or neither?</p>

<p>Since I've been on this forum longer than Wildflower and has cross posted numerous times in the past, I can infer a few scenarios.</p>

<p>For these anonymous online forums, just take everything with a grain of salt.</p>

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<p>oh thats it. </p>

<p>5-13-2006

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I am not an engineering undergrad, as I attend a LAC. But I could do a joint program after earning a BA, thus earning a BA/BS, 5 yr program (3 as of now), in my major and engineering. Or, I could simply pursue a Master in PetE in the same timeframe.

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<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/engineering-majors/190342-pete.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/engineering-majors/190342-pete.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>4-16-2006

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Just wondering what your thoughts were about the school, the students, the president's bowtie, etc.</p>

<p>Personally, I had an amazing time. If you were there and do not mind to share, I'd love to hear your thoughts/comments.</p>

<p>Best,</p>

<p>WF
2010

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<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/whitman-college/175654-those-whom-attended-admitted-student-s-day.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/whitman-college/175654-those-whom-attended-admitted-student-s-day.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>3-30-2006</p>

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So, I got the thin envelope today. Well, not "the thin envelope," but a thin envelope.</p>

<p>Basically they asked for tax forms to compute my financial aid offer. </p>

<p>...does that mean they are planning to accept me??? Sigh.</p>

<p>Cheers,</p>

<p>WF

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<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/whitman-college/163897-thin-envelope-sigh.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/whitman-college/163897-thin-envelope-sigh.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>3-13-2006

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So, it's only three more weeks until I receive a response from Whitman. As of now, I am certainly nervous and, somewhat, anxious. What do you guys normally do to ease the pain of such inclement and miserable wait? </p>

<p>I have been trying to block things out, as I have done my part (put together the best app I could), but it's not quite working. (Whitman is my only option for transferring, so I feel I have a lot on the line here.)</p>

<p>Cheers,</p>

<p>WF

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<p>3-12-2005

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Thess questions go, for the most part, to those of you that have applied to medical school before (or currently applying) and understand the process --moderators please share too.</p>

<p>How does one calculate one's GPA when applying to med school? Does this include high school GPA? What about when submitting transcripts? Does one send high school transcripts?</p>

<p>I ask these questions because I did two years of college while in high school, and consequently, wonder if I will have to submit these or not. These two years of college while in high school were decent, although not what I desired (3.7 GPA).</p>

<p>I am wondering if I will get a fresh start once I start at a new college --especially since I applied as a freshman--, or if this will be a part of my higher education record that I have to carry with me for years to come. I also wonder how a master's degree in a non-science field will be looked at by medical schools, as I am interested in pursuing one for different reasons --personal enrichment one of them. Please advice.</p>

<p>Thank you all!

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<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/pre-med-topics/40246-gpa-calculation.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/pre-med-topics/40246-gpa-calculation.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>You must think we are all really stupid. Yes, in fact, probably 60+% of my engineering exams were open book, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. </p>

<p>And yes Sakky never did confirm anything, and he does seem to have some sort of agenda that he's pushing for, but he's consistent, and never claims to have attended any of these schools. Which this wildflower guy did, which is a blatant lie. You can talk about HBS, you can say anything you want, you don't have to say you went to HBS to talk about it.</p>

<p>Wildflower, when you asked those questions as a college student, do you want me to pose as a real student and post responses? How would that make you feel, if you were the one that asked the question?</p>

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Uh, actually I tried PMing Sakky way back. That would have ended this whole thing. His inbox, however, was full and rejected my message. He then ordered me to email him, which was amusing. You see, I really don't have to prove anything. If you don't believe it, then...don't. I, frankly, don't care either way.

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<p>What's wrong with email. I don't like the PM system. Email does the same thing. </p>

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Again, you may not realize this, but having access to a database doesn't prove anything. I can access Wharton's and I never went there. Sakky can allegedly access Berkeley's and HBS' yet it is not clear to me that he goes to either--not from that fact. He could have simply worked at both schools. Moreover, it is not clear whether he is an MBA student or a PhD student, or even an executive education alumni. So, you see, it's silly to ask for "proofs" of something on an anonymous forum. Again, I realize that you might have not realized this.

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<p>It proves that you at least you have some connection to the school.</p>

<p>Now, I agree with you that simply having access to the database doesn't necessarily prove that you are connected to the school. But the contrapositive holds: not having access to the database shows that you do not have a connection.</p>

<p>I also gave you an alternative, and a very simple one. Just give me the basic directions necessary for me to get to the book stacks in the HBS library. Like I said, I'm an easy grader, so if you just get the directions generally correct, I will credit you with a correct answer and we can move on.</p>

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Just to be fair, Sakky also claimed to have intimate knowledge of MIT, Harvard, Berkeley and no one has asked him to prove anything. Is he an engineer? MBA student? law student? or neither?

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<p>I don't think I ever "claimed" to have intimate knowledge about any schools. On the other hand, whenever I discuss those schools, I attempt to provide data that can be easily verified. Hence, if you don't believe me, you can always check my data.</p>

<p>I am simply interested in the notion that wildflower supposedly went to HBS, yet has not displayed any indication that he has access to any specific data.</p>

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<p>"You must think we are all really stupid."</p>

<p>No, but you are starting to make me believe so--in your case at least. I am really curious what you think your "evidence" shows. </p>

<p>"Yes, in fact, probably 60+% of my engineering exams were open book, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about."</p>

<p>I only asked a question. You are the one assigning meaning to the question and inferring from that meaning. So while you certainly have no idea about the actual meaning of the question was, I truly have no clue what you think you are saying. Again, it's amusing.</p>

<p>"Which this wildflower guy did, which is a blatant lie."</p>

<p>Again, buddy. This may be hard for you to swallow, but just because you say something, well, it doesn't make it so. Your opinion is rather inconsequential, i.e. not important in general (and most especially on an online forum). You cannot affirm that I am lying. You don't know. What you affirm is what your intuition tells you. Nothing less, nothing more. In some cases peoples' intuitions are right, and in some cases wrong. Most people probably get through life relying on their intuition and not on reason. But the fact of the matter is that you simply have no proof to say that I am lying--except by trying to draw inference after inference after inference after inference. I am not sure you will understand this point, but for the sake of the human race, it's worth a shot.</p>

<p>Now, I realize that many engineers have received subpar educations in other essential subjects. Do yourself a favor: take an English and/or Philosophy class; you'll learn to reason and to communicate better. For lack of a better word, it's "cute" to see you think you know what you are doing (and that everyone else has to agree). </p>

<p>And why do people keep on calling me a guy?! </p>

<p>"Wildflower, when you asked those questions as a college student, do you want me to pose as a real student and post responses?"</p>

<p>Hmmm...again, I am not posing. But you can do whatever you want with your life. I like to flatter myself and think I can discern who to believe and who not to on a forum such as this--and I normally don't bother with callous attacks if I just don't trust them. I like to flatter myself that I am not that foolish. I'll just --like cbreeze wisely stated -- take it with a grain of salt. Or like I say, take it with the whole box of salt (instead of exposing my naivete).</p>

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<p>"But the contrapositive holds: not having access to the database shows that you do not have a connection."</p>

<p>Logically, as a statement, this is true, Sakky. However, where your reasoning fails is in assuming that not demonstrating said access to the database is the same as not having it. Not showing that one has access is not the same as not having it. Refusing to show one has access (whatever the cause) is not the same as not having access. I think you realize this. However, a simple-minded person (to avoid saying "dumb" or "foolish") will inevitably affirm that the two are the same, as our friend Keefer is trying to do. But you, Sakky, surely you can see the discrepancy. </p>

<p>So, you can question my motivations if you'd like; and if you feel the urge or the need, you can call me a liar or a tease (which I prefer in this context). Any such assertion, however, remains as the faulty conclusion inferred from a fallacy. Not very impressive in terms of intellectual or cognitive ability.</p>

<p>(I should be getting paid for this...)</p>

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<p>One more thing ... </p>

<p>"What's wrong with email. I don't like the PM system. Email does the same thing." </p>

<p>Thinking that you actually were either an MBA or a PHD student at HBS, I was gladly going to "share" with you. Your follow up implied that I had to, or, worse, needed to, "prove" myself to you. And, frankly, I am not sure when we established the hierarchy that demands I justify myself to you. PMing would have been quick, easy, and simply. </p>

<p>"I also gave you an alternative, and a very simple one."</p>

<p>Read above--I am not in for silly games. This presupposes that I at least care to proof something to you (if I answer privately) or to the forum (if I answer in public). I don't. </p>

<p>I am simply amused and interested in how some people display faulty reasoning and ignorance without realizing it. It's amusing, though at times a bit repugnant.</p>

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<p>This is going to be my last post on this matter, as I now understand what it is like to talk to a wall that moves. I just showed you how you lied, but instead of admitting to the obvious, you decided to ridicule my intelligence. Any way you look at it, you either lied in those posts, or you lied about going to HBS recently. You can't say "I went to whitman college freshman admit day" in 2006 and then say "you went to HBS" in 2008. (considering that college is 4 years, HBS is 2 years, typically) If you can somehow point to me how you can accomplish this, then I'll admit that I conducted a logical reasoning flaw.</p>

<p>I glimpsed through all the things you just wrote, and I must say you must have done very well in Philosophy 101 at Whitman College 2 years ago as a freshman. good for you. </p>

<p>One final question: is your last name Bush?</p>

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<p>"I now understand what it is like to talk to a wall that moves. "</p>

<p>Where did you hear this? Your parents? They must have repeated it quite often...</p>

<p>"I just showed you how you lied"</p>

<p>No, you didn't. But if you haven't figured out by now, I cannot help you.</p>

<p>"One final question: is your last name Bush?"</p>

<p>He too attended HBS. But, no, it's not me.</p>

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Thinking that you actually were either an MBA or a PHD student at HBS, I was gladly going to "share" with you. Your follow up implied that I had to, or, worse, needed to, "prove" myself to you. And, frankly, I am not sure when we established the hierarchy that demands I justify myself to you. PMing would have been quick, easy, and simply.

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<p>First off, you don't "have" to do anything. I am simply recommending this as a way for you to clear the air. If you don't want to do it, that's fine, but then people will then obviously draw their own conclusions. </p>

<p>Secondly, yes, my PM system is full. If you insist that I clear it, I will do so now and reopen it. But I hardly see how email is a problem. Email, PM, what's the problem? Just go to my name, choose "send email to sakky". How is that any different from PM? </p>

<p>The difference for me is obviously that my email account never get filled up. But, like I said, if you insist that there is some difference between PM and email, fine, then say so and I will indeed clear my PM. </p>

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I am simply amused and interested in how some people display faulty reasoning and ignorance without realizing it. It's amusing, though at times a bit repugnant

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<p>I am becoming amused that you want to keep playing this game. If you have access to the database, why not show it, if for no other reason, then to clear the air? What do you have to lose? </p>

<p>On the other hand, if you choose not to do this, then like I said, a cloud of suspicion will continue to besmirch your posts. Why do you want that for yourself?</p>

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<p>Allright, wildflower, my PM is open. I think you're out of excuses now.</p>

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<p>I, for one, enjoy a good usage of the word "besmirch".</p>

<p>That is all.</p>

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<p>I'm still curious as to why/how a poster can claim to be an undergraduate one year and then all of a sudden fast forward to superstar HBS grad. That Wildflower <em>totally</em> ignores the inconsistencies and quesitonable timelines of her previous posts does suggest the answer though.</p>

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<p><em>cough</em> COMPULSIVE LIAR <em>cough</em></p>

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<p>"<em>cough</em> COMPULSIVE LIAR <em>cough</em>"</p>

<p>The wise words of a high schooler.</p>

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<p>I know this may be threadjacking, seeing where this thread is going, but for those of you that got into 2+2, what has your experience been like thus far? Have you met with the Harvard Career Services office to help find a job after graduation?</p>

<p>Also, is a job they help you find the <em>only</em> type you can have if you go the 2+2 route?</p>

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<p>bump.......bump....</p>

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The wise words of a high schooler.

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<p>Wildflower, are you going to PM me? I'm not going to leave my PM open forever.</p>

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<p>Well, Wildflower has officially been "busted." It appears that he will graduate from Whitman College in 2010. What can you say..he's a kid with a dream.</p>