<p>there was a cool haverford shirt on display in sharples during rtt. does anyone know where i can get one?</p>
<p>Um....if you decided to go to Haverford, then Haverford bookstore? </p>
<p>If the t-shirt it is a putdown of Haverford, then Swat is a Quaker college (well historically Quaker and still has the culture somewhat), so putdowns are not allowed? :)</p>
<p>um...you do know that you don't have to answer every thread posted, especially when you don't have the answer? it was a really cool grey shirt with red lettering and was hanging by the staircase in the dining hall of the quaker college that doesn't allow putdowns. it would look great while strolling the haverford campus.</p>
<p>um....I don't usually post on every thread. You can look me up. And you can see my age too (oh well maybe not, it did in the past) but I am a parent, age 48 and according to the decorum on this board, you should not be rude to me. But maybe you do have a right to be rude...but then I hope you don't come to Swat to join the students there. Just wishful thinking.,..</p>
<p>i'm not sure why you're so eager to wear a shirt that puts down another college... especially one as great as haverford and which also shares a strong relationship (currently, historically and culturally) with swarthmore? i know there's a rivalry but i think most students take it as good natured fun... i think swarthmore students have better things to do with themselves than to go to haverford's campus just to wear a mean shirt ?... :( if you have a superiority complex, that doesn't fit with swarthmore's supposed quaker roots and idealistic "change the world activist" students. In reading about the school, the head of chemistry as well as some other prominent faculty at swarthmore went to haverford for undergrad...</p>
<p>oh wait!... you're not that kid from the new york times article who was rejected from haverford ED but got into swarthmore RD are you? he said, "i have 4 years and 4 games to get back at haverford". i initially though that was a such a hilarious thing to say and was following and rooting for him to get into somewhere good for the last year... but if you're him... no wonder why haverford rejected you.</p>
<p>It sounds as if it was a simple Haverford logo t-shirt, in which case Duhvinci can probably find it on Haverford's website. It sounds as if achat was just speculating that it might have been a put down since it was on display at Swarthmore and Duhvinci was asking here instead of on the Haverford board.
Although I'd also like to believe that Swarthmore students don't put others down, I happen to know that they do, unfortunately. Witness the umbrage taken here at such a small misunderstanding:)</p>
<p>i think i know the shirt you're talking about. on the front it just said "haverford" and looked like a typical college logo t-shirt, but on the back it said "because not everyone can get into swarthmore". it was definitely just good-natured fun..i dont think they sell it at the bookstore..i remember seeing it hanging up in sharples with students trying to sell it - more likely than not some group was selling it maybe as a fundraiser? i doubt you can get one now</p>
<p>lisa, that is the shirt. i thought it was pretty sharp looking. i thought that it was, as you say, good natured fun. a tweak at haverford so to speak.</p>
<p>hey there,</p>
<p>i go to bryn mawr now, and i think the only time you can get the hford/swat shirts is during basketball season-- when everyone wears them to the games... it's fun :)</p>
<p>Lisa, I don't think Achat was being very nice in her second post by suggesting that she hopes Duhvinci doesn't matriculate at Swat just because she found his post rude and took it personally. Telling someone to stay away from a place he's obviously excited about is overreacting and more rude, not to mention the "just wishful thinking" comment. If one demands courtesy, he or she should display it too, parent or not. Thanks. :)</p>
<p>Duhvinci:
Are there other issues that you would like to discuss with parents or students about Swarthmore or college? Have your concerns about the shirt been addressed fully?</p>
<p>Duhvinci: I do not know about t-shirts. Personally I was never big on cross-school rivalries, having attended 2 rival schools for different degrees.</p>
<p>The Haverford/Swarthmore rivalry is more of a tri-co myth or fun "tradition" than something that's actually real. Yes, it's mainly an athletic thing. So at basketball games, Swatties where the "Haverford...Safety School" T-shirts and Fords wear the classic "Swat Sucks". It's true that Swarthmore Students and Haverford students aren't nearly as close as Haverford-Bryn Mawr students, but we all get a long pretty well ;)</p>
<p>Now, I have better things to do than post on the Swat forum, but I found this thread irresistible. There definitely is a SC/HC rivalry and for that matter a rivalry between all the tri-college schools. The best analogy is that of a family and is one that my parents always use to cite. Why? When you have 3 kids that wind up going to BMC ('93), SC ('95-->'96), HC ('96), you develop a clarity of vision. </p>
<p>All 3 colleges, like kids, will fight and bicker over the tiniest issues cause that's what we enjoy doing. Cause all three colleges are so close in proximity, it's like the proverbial long car-ride to the seashore where the kids in the back seat (despite their intelligence) will punch, kick and scream at each other cause there's nothing better to do. My parents still laugh that we (future valedictorians, physicians and investment analyst) use to fight like cats and dogs even up until HS graduation. </p>
<p>Regarding the t-shirts, it really is all in fun. My brother and some of my "great" SC friends designed a shirt in the mid-1990's that said "Haverford College Safty School" despite them knowing the choice of colleges I (and many of my HC friends) had and the classic "Harvardford" (I actually came up with this one). Of course, we had a shirt that said "Swarthmore Misery Poker Team... cause our athletes plain suck at everything else" or "Swarthmore College... anywhere else I would have been called a geek"... some much better than "Swat Sucks"... cause it really doesn't.</p>
<p>But, in my experience, once you graduate, tri-co students will realize how similar (like familiy) they all are and will relish each other's company later in life. For whatever reason, there is some type of connection that we all share (maybe cause we have to repeat the name of our school to the average person or we care too much about issues that many americans don't bother with?)...</p>
<p>until then, let the games begin. :)</p>
<p>The sports teams were selling that shirt. I think if you get in touch with one of the student contacts for varsity sports at Swat, they should be able to tell you where to get one from.</p>
<p>I thought it was a funny shirt. Probably not a good idea to wear it around the Haverford campus, but it's fine. All in the name of petty college rivalries.</p>
<p>HCAlum:</p>
<p>Don't you think that the rivalry (such as it it is) has a big component of "tongue in cheek" irony? After all, it's not either Haverford or Swarthmore are exactly athletic powerhouses. By acting out a rivalry, students at both schools are, to some degree, mocking school rivalries. </p>
<p>That's how I read it. I could be wrong.</p>
<p>so, does anyone know where i can get the shirt?</p>
<p>Did you visit the bookstore web or try calling them?</p>
<p>Therere probably leftover shirts in storage that you can buy when you get to SC. Theyre not going to sell them at the bookstore because SC is conscious of its image and would not want to legitimize an item like that. At a small school, Im sure you can ask any random student (especially someone who plays a sport) and they will be able to direct you appropriately (likely to mens basketball, soccer or wrestling teams as they sold similar shirts in the past). If they ran out theyll make new ones so dont fear traditions dont change.</p>
<p>Regarding your post I.D., I am very familiar with the uber-intellectuality of the tri-co but I dont think that the kids are trying to consciously make some type of social statement. I agree that both colleges are not athletically inclined (except for tennis at SC and track at HC). I think all tri-co students come with academics, future careers and maybe making a difference in society as priorities. However, kids will be kids no matter how smart /talented/serious/intellectual they think they are. Many also look for the usual experiences typical for college (to decompress, to be goofy, for a sense of normalcy ) including rallying around sports teams no matter how feeble the players. For example, there use to be a SC cheerleading squad (pom poms, skirts, ) composed of some peppy but awkward girls and others (my friends) who needed easy gym credit unfortunately, they seemed to get a larger response from the HC crowd (laughs) than the SC crowd who turned away in embarrassment. Also note that the rivalry in terms of t-shirts is not about athletics but rather academics, campus culture (Safty Skool and SC anywhere else I would have been a geek really! (with famous picture of Mike Dukakis wearing ill-fitting tank helmet)).</p>
<p>I think its also human nature that people identify themselves and the group that they belong to by comparing themselves to others and often at the expense of the other (insert historic examples of intolerance here if you want) and you see it in the tri-co to some degree. The rivalry is an expression of this identification process. But again, once students graduate from the tri-co, they will see how similar they are to one another... like I said before, like family.</p>
<p>Or, as a better example, understanding the tri-co rivalry would be like Fox News reporting on a Presidential Candidate debate between Hillary Rodham, Howard Dean and John Kerry trying to show how different they are from one another... it's an indulgent act of futility.</p>