Help again! Youtube made false copyright claim on DS' performance supplement

With a great deal of help from a kind CC poster, and at least 20 hours of work, I’ve finally figured out how to make a performance video for DS. This involved converting several performances from DVD (finding a conversion program, figuring out some problems including out-of-sync audio. I have uploaded the separate performances to youtube. For one of them, a copyright claim popped up, with a strange name in a different language. This video is DS playing a Rachmaninoff Prelude. I’ve looked and it looks like all copyrights on Rachmaninoff’s work has run out. There is the option to file a dispute but apparently this takes a long time. In the meantime, this claimant is putting an ad on DS’ video.

I was planning to submit links to youtube videos to the colleges DS has applied to and will apply to. There will be several because the colleges want different things. I don’t want anything to go wrong.

Any advice?

Try uploading to Vimeo instead. Youtube is weird about copyright stuff.

@NYMomof2, out of curiosity, which prelude was it? Rachmaninoff was my favorite to play in high school. Too bad I have tiny hands, though, ha! Tough to play his pieces well.

Hi, MaineLonghorn. It’s the Prelude in G Minor, op. 23 #5 - did you ever play it?

Thank you for the vimeo suggestion, trojanchick99. I haven’t used it yet but will give it a try.

Simply file the dispute, note that it was composed over 100 years ago, is in the public domain, and is not being performed for profit. The ad will disappear and the copyright dispute should be removed with a few days.

Another option is to make it an unlisted video or a private video that can only be viewed with a link, which would be fine for a supplement as you will be providing the link.

I’ll file the dispute, Faulkner1897, and thank you for the advice. The video is already unlisted, though, so that didn’t help.

I’m also trying vimeo.

Try the music forum here on CC as well.

For a supplement for a college (as opposed to portfolio for conservatory) the schools often only need one video, and some of them might want you to cue the best three minutes, something like that. I would ask admissions if that would be helpful.

A music supplement to the common application can also include a music resume, repertoire, a couple of music teacher recommendations, and even a few programs if impressive.

Or perhaps this is a college with a performance program that requires more of a portfolio with a few videos. If so, disregard and apologies- you seem like a parent who has done research and knows what schools want.

And if they each want a different sample, I can see that it would get complicated.

p.s. Just a few years ago it was okay to send the DVD itself. Is that no longer allowed? Much more private at least!

Thanks, compmom. I searched the music forum and didn’t see anything on this topic. DS is not going to major in music, so this is just a supplement for his applications. You are right that every college wants something different. His ED college will take up to 15 minutes of video, one instrument only. One of his EA colleges will take a video of unspecified length, and he can include two instruments. And he will be getting applications ready for about a dozen more schools for RD, and I can only assume that they will want different formats.

I’ve already uploaded his music resume. One school will take a video through slideroom, but the file size is quite restricted so a youtube link is better. The videos are unlisted so they are private (I hope!)

I disputed the copyright claim as Faulkner suggested, and guess what? I immediately received this email from youtube: “Good news! Your dispute wasn’t reviewed within 30 days, so the copyright claim on your YouTube video has now been released.” Apparently they wait only 30 seconds, not 30 days?

Vimeo doesn’t have an unlisted option, so the only possibilities are either open videos or private videos with very cumbersome access, that wouldn’t work at all for college admissions.

So interesting about YouTube! (The music major forum serves many who are not music majors, but it sounds like you are making progress without further advice anyway!) Good luck with such a complicated series of applications. Hoping ED is successful so your kid doesn’t have to do 12 more supplements!

Thank you, compmom. I hope that ED is successful, too!

In case anyone else has the youtube copyright issue, I’ll post what I’ve learned.

When videos are uploaded to youtube, they are automatically checked for content violations, i.e., illegal use of copyrighted music, images, games. If content is identified, the video is flagged and there is a notice that a copyright claim has been made against the video. There are several options, including having the video taken down, but the most common (I gather), and the one that happened here, is that the copyright claimant “monetizes” the video, meaning that a banner ad is put across your video and, I believe, ads can be inserted as well. There is a major problem with unscrupulous companies making false copyright claims in order to get the ad revenue. Youtube has no incentive to crack down on this, because they get 45% of the revenue. In the past, the claimant was under no obligation to prove that the claim was valid. Now the burden of proof is with the claimant. I found that just filing a dispute (easy to do) made the problem go away.

Not on copyright, but we have used unlisted videos on youtube for both music and sports performance for my student. Unlisted videos are not searchable – if you search my kid’s name, you don’t find the videos, but the coaches and schools can still see the film without being specifically invited, just by getting access to the link.

Good luck!

Midwestmom, my son’s videos are unlisted, too. It didn’t stop the content search.

Not necessarily unscrupulous others. The example I saw was a legit musical organization in England performing a public domain piece used in some other vehicle. The implication was that Youtube ran music recognition and did not vet the copyright sufficiently. It was the particular performance by that group that was copyrighted- not that they had usurped rights to the music itself. But, I don’t know more.

Vimeo may be great, but just another suggestion that I am familiar with - I use Dropbox to upload videos and share the link with others. You get 2GB for free, which may be fine for yours, I had to get the $99 per year for 1TB of storage cause I upload long sport matches to share with family.

The person receiving the link does not have to have dropbox anything on their device - computer, mobile, whatever, as long as the video is 15 minutes or less. You would just register for a free account, select a file to upload then select share which provides you with a place to enter emails, or you can just copy paste the link to put in wherever you want… You can share from the site or post the link separately.

Just a note, for those that use the link to watch the video - for those videos longer than 15 minutes (and mine are a couple hours), they will need the dropbox app on their device. They don’t have to register for an account or anything, just download the app.

You can leave the video up forever, or set an expiration date. Good luck!

Thank you, CADREAMIN. That sounds like a good option!

@compmom Would you happen to know if a music LOR for a music supplement would be considered as the “additional LOR” on the common app? Or is the music LOR a completely different LOR aside from the common app’s additional LOR?

I have not actually laid eyes on the common application for about 8 years. So I don’t know. When my kids did arts supplements, they mailed the CD or DVD, LOR’s, resume, programs etc. etc. in a package by post!! I think it is good to keep music LOR’s with music stuff but there may be no way to do that. I would call admissions and ask.