help! confused senior in california! too ambitious, not ambitious enough??

<p>Okay...so I didn't catch on to the whole college thing until about junior year. However, I am pretty quirky + multi talented, very passionate,
and write great personal essays!
Mean AP teacher says my essay made her laugh and cry. o-o
Overall overwhelming response to my essays from friends and teachers.</p>

<p>Asian American female from a very good large public high school in California. (how boring right...)
Pretty high income parents....but I didn't use any of their money on prep classes or anything.
Unweighted GPA: 3.5 (freshmen + sophomore year sucked).
Not including freshmen year, unweighted gpa: 3.7
(My school doesn't weigh GPA's)
SAT I: 2080 composite. Crit Reading 730, Math 660, Writing 690
SAT II: Taking in November
Composite ACT: 29
Extra cirriculars:
A bunch...
Co-head coach for junior basketball team
Basketball 10 yrs
Planned a concert from scratch that raised $5000 for abused children, featured in 40 newspapers, 2 news stations, attracted celebrities, etc.
Paid to teach English in China
Music coach for middle schoolers
Orchestra 7 yrs, in highest level now.
Spanish Club VP
Tutor for Eng. + math
Got a group of my friends to read to kids : )
Plan beach clean ups, volunteer at hospital
I make some money doing online commerce
Babysit (does this count? I don't have a "real" job)
....That's about it.
Oh, and I learn a lot of languages and read a lot on my own if that makes a difference.</p>

<p>I think I'm going to have great rec letters from two teachers who know me very well and like me! </p>

<p>Classes i'm taking this year:
AP Lit
AP Calc
AP Spanish
AP Art Hist
Orch
Gov</p>

<p>These are the schools I'm applying to:
UCLA
UC Berkeley
UC Santa Barbara
UC Irvine
UC Davis
UC Santa Cruz
UC San Diego
Occidental
Pepperdine
USC </p>

<p>Should I apply to:
Pomona
Stanford</p>

<p>?!?! Stanford is completely beyond comprehension to me, but at least 5 people have encouraged me to apply there, mostly because of my essays.
Pomona people say would suit me well because I like class discussions a lot and getting to know the teacher
I've been encouraged to write an essay explaining my bad grades and "improvement" throughout high school. all b's to all a's junior year.</p>

<p>Also please tell me my chances for the schools that I am applying to.</p>

<p>One more question:
Should I study now and retake the SAT + ACT or focus more on my school work/applications? I walked in blind to both tests so I think if I studied I could improve.</p>

<p>Thank you SO much!</p>

<p>hi, can anyone help please : )</p>

<p>I would say definitely yes on Pomona. Sure, it's somewhat of a reach, but I don't think your stats are so far out of the ballpark that it would be ridiculous to apply! If a seems like a good match, go for it. Otherwise, you may regret it later! </p>

<p>Can't offer much advice on Stanford, sorry.</p>

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One more question:
Should I study now and retake the SAT + ACT or focus more on my school work/applications? I walked in blind to both tests so I think if I studied I could improve.

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<p>My instinct is to say "yes" because studying helps bring up points, especially if you focus on the kinds of questions asked and some strategies for handling the different kinds of questions. </p>

<p>Which to do more: study for SAT's or focus on schoolwork/recs..</p>

<p>I think the recs are already going to be what they are, and they sound solid. Simply maintain the relationships you have, but no need to join a new club to further impress that teacher, for example. Of course you have to get the recs in by deadlines, but basically there's no work to do on them except organizational/paper flow.</p>

<p>I'd say to keep a very strong handle on your schoolwork since you want to demonstrate clear and steady maintenance of improved grades. </p>

<p>Rather than rob from schoolwork, I'd lighten up on an EC or whatever you do now for "down time" and go into high gear to study for the SAT's and ACTS. Be sure to look up the Xiggi Method under CC's SAT Prep section, get books from the bookstore, do the trial tests on the College Board Site, track some of the suggestions on the CC threads in SAT forum. </p>

<p>My instinct is that, since you have expressed confidence about your essays and have a good writing style here, you might do better with self-study from books, rather than take a test prep course. Then you can tailor your time to personal study goals, rather than take what "everyone" else takes in a class.</p>

<p>Certainly study for the rubric on the Writing SAT so you know what they're looking for; much of the weight is in the multiple choice questions (grammar, syntax) but the essay you could nail with a 10,11, or 12 but ONLY if you know what they're looking for and their format. </p>

<p>Your writing is so clear here that I think if you studied for it, youj mgith have a chance to push your 690 in Writing up into the mid or high 700's/. That's one that I feel really responds to studying for the test, if you already are a good writer which i think you may be, judging from just these posts and the feedback you're getting from others about your writing. So STUDY that thing and add to your total points for SAT''s. </p>

<p>Math, I'm guessing that with a bit of brush-up on formulas and methods through practice books, you could move that score up.</p>

<p>On Critical Reading, since you love to read already, that's where I'd definitely look into the Xiggi Method (old classic thread on the SAT prep area). He has an approach to time management on these tests that might really boost your points in CR, as well as help in the Math section. </p>

<p>There's much good advice in archived SAT/ACT prep threads right here on CC to get you started on how to study for all of therse tests; which are good prep books for different purposes; and other study tips.</p>

<p>But definitely prepare. Taking the test cold you didn't give yourself a chance to find out all you could do. It might open up opportunities at some of the private unis you're considering, or help you get consideration at the UC's for anything merit-based.</p>

<p>It sounds like you're meant for California! If so, take a look at Chapman University, too, to see if you like it. Perhaps for you it's a safety.</p>

<p>Thanks for the responses! I will check out Chapman U</p>

<p>I'd also like to add that the GPA I provided is the GPA for my academic/core classes only (not counting sports, pe, etc)</p>

<p>I edited my post above, so please re-read it.</p>

<p>And...much good luck to you!</p>

<p>Not to be rude but you're living in California and applying to the majority of the UC's is ambitious or not ambitious enough. If I were you, I would shoot for like 1 or 2 of those UC's and maybe Pomona or Stanford and aim for some schools in a different environment. Shoot for some schools like NYU or something like that, don't limit yourself to the UC's.</p>

<p>I re-read the post, thanks. It was very helpful : ) I bought a book today for $18 and am gonna get cracking!</p>

<p>Alexla, are you saying that I am being too ambitious or not amibitious enough? </p>

<p>I've actually visited NYU before because I go to NY quite often. I don't like the fact that NYU is just one building, and NYC, although exciting, is too expensive and busy for me to spend four years at! I'd considered some schools in the midwest, east side...but then decided that California is the best place for me. I've traveled to many places, and nothing beats California weather. : )</p>

<p>I applied for multiple UC's because they all have the same application, and I want to make sure that I get into at least one! Since I live in California, I think it's the best deal money-wise, and UC's offer a good education.</p>

<p>So you guys think I have a fair chance at Pomona and Stanford? The counselors at my school seem to discourage students from applying to reach schools. ???? I remember them saying something along the lines of "if you have a 3.2 gpa, you probably don't want to apply to USC", so i kind of applied that to "if you have a 3.5 gpa, you probably don't want to apply to stanford"</p>

<p>(Cross posted with your post, above!!)</p>

<p>I might be adding another dimension here: I think you need to know clearly from your parents what their financial expectations are. You might already know, and you surely don't need to share that here, but I'm just saying to factor that element into the advice you get on a board like this.</p>

<p>Since you had both private and public schools on your list, people reading might be assuming finances are not in your way, or that your folks have encouraged you to go ahead and apply to private schools, too. In that case, Alexa makes a good point to consider widening your geographic horizons. This could be the time in your life to see something other than California, is what I think alexa's suggestion meant to me.</p>

<p>If, however, you'll be needing financial help or lower tuition bills, then it's not just a matter of where your SAT's would lead you to, but also what your family can afford.
And there are travel costs to get around by plane. Plus emotional realities of how near or far from your family you might be during the next 4 years. </p>

<p>Finances and emotional/family feelings also factor in to a decision whether or not to look beyond your home state.</p>

<p>There's a very large difference in tuition between a place like NYU and an what an instate resident pays for a UC. But if you need or can get financial aid from a private college, the differential in tuition plus travel costs might be quite worth it to you. </p>

<p>Without knowing your family's needs and situation, I wanted to simply raise that flag now. Be sure to be in close communication with your family now, while you make the list.</p>

<p>Every year there are some on CC who didn't do that, and apply to both public and private colleges (or more/less inexpensive places). When the results come in and it's time to choose, that's NOT the time to hear your parents say, "But we only intended to send you to a school that would cost us less than X" or "we are delighted you got into that fancy college but we'll be run over by a truck before we'd consider sending you 3,000 miles away, so: no."</p>

<p>Sometimes students also put colleges on their lists as emotional or financial "stretchers" for their families, thinking if I get in there, THEN we'll face that conversation. That's okay but realize what you're doing when you put something on the list that would greatly surprise your parents. </p>

<p>Also, some parents say, "Apply to the privates and publics. If you get into both, WE"LL SEE how the financial aid packages compare and what kinds of aid the private will give you." Sometimes students only remember the first sentence of that conversation, which causes heartache later on.</p>

<p>But if you've already been through that discussion with your family, and they support the idea of your applying to private colleges on the West Coast, then I agree with alexla to think if you want to open up your scope to consider out-of-state schools as well. Perhaps there are private colleges in Oregon or Washington state, or any other region of the country. </p>

<p>That given, there are folks who really feel so loyal and comfortable in their home state, that that IS reason to stay in place there. </p>

<p>Only you know. But my point is: be in CLOSE COMMUNICATION with your family NOW as you make the list.</p>

<p>PS, What happened to us was funny and informative to others, perhaps. The older 2 wanted liberal arts majors. We said we have limited resources, and living in the Northeast there were so many choices it was more than they could even deal with! We said, just just apply to schools within an 8 hour drive, so we can afford the transportation costs.
Within that geographic range were publics, privates in all kinds of categories. The older 2 each found their happy place: great private schools with enough financial aid we could afford them, and off they went. </p>

<p>The youngest had a whole different idea. He wanted to major in film/screenwriting so he had his eye on California. We had told the older two, "don't apply west of the Mississippi River.." but this didn't make sense for the youngest, given his desired major. So he applied on the East and West coasts, to an instate public and private schools on both coasts. Of all the luck, his best academic offering and strongest financial aid came from a place in California. Even factoring in the airfares, we were better off sending him there.
In his case, by "stretching" us emotionally and including 2 California schools on his list, he ended up getting there after all. But if the financial aid had not been forthcoming from the California school, he also would have understood if we had to say, "No, sorry, you'lll just have to take Choice #2 of the ones that accepted you here in the East, and someday you'll get to California on your own steam." You can see the emotional difference. If we had to say "no" to the distant private school that took him (and thankfully we could say "yes" due to the partial support they offered), he would have been crushed. "I got into there, and now you say I can't GO???!!!"</p>

<p>So this is the time to get on the same page as your parents with the lists. </p>

<p>I can understand how families would say, "Apply to a private; apply to a distant location...and we'll see what kind of aid they offer to COMPARE." That's different than your getting a clean go-ahead to apply anywhere in the country or on the economic scale that your SAT's might suggest.</p>

<p>I'm mindful that there are also families in the USA who can actually write a check for $40K or $50K annually without batting an eye. They have the kind of resources so that this feels like just another utility bill might feel to me, as a middle-class parent. </p>

<p>That's the meaning of that phrase that parents throw out: "if finances are of no issue for you..." If that's your situation, you have tremendous economic freedom (and I hope you treasure it!) to apply anywhere you wish. Otherwise, be in close understanding of your parents' words so you aren't upset later. </p>

<p>And good luck, wherever you apply.</p>

<p>adding as an edit after reading your post above, "PS, The weather thing is a real factor for some. My son hates being cold so he's a natural for California.
We agree never to discuss the weather by phone, because he's out there in 80 degree weather while I'm shoveling snow. I also never tease him about the wildfires because I know that's very serious stuff, too. </p>

<p>It's good you've traveled and know something about what you might like; urban in the East is very different than urban/suburban in the West, that's for sure. You'll be living at a college for 4 years so you want to imagine feeling happy there. You have to wake up and want to go out each day to study and pursue. It will be your temporary home. So if you can't imagine yourself in a certain place, no matter how ideal it may be for you academically, it's not for you as a person.</p>

<p>LOL, personal needs do matter. My Dad got into Harvard in 1945 and turned it down, because he'd just been away fighting in WWII and wanted to live at home! (He went as a commuter to Johns Hopkins U instead, and felt he had a remarkable education there). He had had enough of being far from home at that moment. All he wanted was his mom's cooking and to hear his siblings argue in the living room! After fighting in a war, that made more sense to him than going off to Harvard. I'm just saying that a person's ideas about their well-being make a difference in what choices they will entertain, and that is fine.</p>

<p>My parents have said that finances are no issue. Actually,
they have encouraged me to apply to private schools.
They would prefer that I stay in California, but will also support me if I choose to go out of state. Basically, my parents will support me no matter what I do. </p>

<p>Anyway, what do you guys think my chances are at (and here's my new list):</p>

<p>Stanford
Pomona
USC
UCLA
UC Irvine
UC San Diego
UC Santa Barbara
Occidental
Pepperdine</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>hi, can anyone else offer a say?</p>

<p>i need to make up my mind by tomorrow!</p>

<p>i could offer advice, I want to see how good your essays are, send me a copy, pm me, if they are really good, you probably have a pretty decent chance at most schools</p>

<p>St. Aegis,
Thanks for the offer but I'd rather not send my essay to an '09 graduate. Just being careful : )</p>

<p>Let's just say my essays are very good. Very positive feedback from all adults. "One of the best I've read" "Fantastic" "I love it", etc. What do you think my chances are at these schools?</p>

<p>Stanford
Pomona
USC
UCLA
UC Irvine
UC San Diego
UC Santa Barbara
Occidental
Pepperdine</p>

<p>Honestly, girl, your only weakness is the SAT. I think Pomona's a good choice (I love the Claremont consortium ^^)</p>