Help for Asian-American Discrimination in Colleges

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<p>No, but I appreciate your facetious question. </p>

<p>It would be stupid not to ignore that ethnicity is considered. Go to the HYPSM acceptance threads. There are many in which you read the individual’s stats and think, “how the hell did they get in?” until you reach the ethnicity spot. It’s foolish not to acknowledge that ethnicity is given a huge weight in college admissions. I think college admissions should be about individual merit, and that’s all I’m trying to say. Like I said earlier, looking at the ethnicity check box is not looking at the individual. Agree or disagree, those are my beliefs.</p>

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<p>That you would extrapolate what I said to what you say you think I said in itself shows a certain deficiency of critical reasoning, IMO.</p>

<p>I reported the results of a single study that shows on average Asians scored lower; you claim that I’m asserting that all Asians score lower.</p>

<p>Can you see the difference?</p>

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<p>Maybe the OP is, but all I’m saying is that, in my opinion, the only things that should be considered in college admissions are individual merits. Feel free to disagree.</p>

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<p>@annasdad @born2dance94: ummm, in a test with 1500-2000 points, in any statistic, ANY group of people picked (even sporadically) is NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE to score the EXACT SAME. Yes, whites scored higher…by a grand total of 59/1500-2000 points. </p>

<p>And those scores were brought down by the throngs of Asian immigrants and green card holders who migrate to BS’s. They will almost definitely not do as well as someone with English as a 1st language.
And yet, the scores aren’t even that different. </p>

<p>Imagine if whites were forced to take a Chinese critical reasoning test “(which usually corresponds with verbal IQ and creative/analytical skills)” </p>

<p>Oh, trust me. Whites would score absolutely ABYSMALLY. </p>

<p>The only reason Asians have higher credentials is because many (not all) Asian cultures have hints of Confucianism. In Asia, hard work is almost THE most important virtue.
America, in contrast, champions “free-thinking” and “creativity.” No wonder our education system is in the dumps, as is our economy. Have you met American children these days? Hugs are considered sexual harassment at school. Poking another student with a pencil elicits suspensions. Teenage girls use “free-thinking” and take materialism to the max.
Children complain about the tiniest thing, and college students take a “refresher” course in basic math (adding fractions, multiplying decimals.)</p>

<p>This is sad, this is almost laughable.</p>

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<p>Merit as you define it, or merit as the college defines it?</p>

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<p>Well in any case, I don’t think that ethnicity should be considered merit by anyone.</p>

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<p>@CollegeCookie …I have no idea what you’re going on about.</p>

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<p>@riaudo: Thank you. I’m trying to say that based on the factors that can be measured and taken at face value, race should NEVER be a factor. </p>

<p>Some people assume that certain races are “poorer” and “dumber” than others. Whatever happened to “all men are created equal?”
Are some more “equal” than others?</p>

<p>Giving certain races extra privileges because they are generalized and assumed to be under-privileged is racism.</p>

<p>@riaudo: I was talking about the critical reasoning study @annasdad cited.</p>

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<p>Well, of course it is, because one’s ethnicity is part of one’s individuality. </p>

<p>Who’s more meritorious? The Asian or white student who had the advantage of good parenting and excellent schools and scored a 2250/3,8, or the URM who did not have those advantages and scored 1950/3.5?</p>

<p>That’s a question that needs to be answered on an individual basis, looking at the whole person, not just the test scores.</p>

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<p>I see what you’re saying, but what about the poor Asian vs. the upper class URM? That is why I support economic-based “affirmative action” (and that would benefit many URMs, who tend to be poorer than ORMs)</p>

<p>But race itself is irrelevant in my opinion.</p>

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<p>@annasdad: Wait a second. “One’s ethnicity is part of one’s individuality.”
Who dictated that? What if, say, I dunno, people stop discriminating and treating others differently based on race, like what Martin Luther King Jr wanted? Yes, someone’s race may define what they look like, to a certain extent. </p>

<p>But to go so far as to suggest that race factors into what someone “truly is like” deep down? Their personalities and who they are as a person depends on race?</p>

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<p>@CollegeCookie, the study reported in “Academically Adrift” controlled for a language other than English being spoken in the student’s home, and the numbers I reported are post-application of those controls. There was a difference in performance based on native language, but far less than your message would imply.</p>

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<p>Further comments should be directed to the Race sticky thread.</p>