Help me create another sports league that would rival Ivy League in prestige

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<p>help me choose which 8 schools should comprise it, and what to name it. </p>

<p>I'm currently thinking of the ff schools to compose the league. if you think some of them have to be replaced, which schools would you want them removed and which schools would you want to replace them. By choosing the schools, analyse it carefully that the new team (which we are yet to name) would give the ivy league some pretty stiff competition in the prestige race. This new league that we're creating now might not automatically dethrone ivy league in the prestige race as they have been in existence since the birth of American higher education (very deep roots), but at least, the new league would compete with the ivy VIGOROUSLY, or much, much more than what the second most prestigious sports league today (PAC 10?) can do against Ivy League presently.</p>

<ol>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>Michigan</li>
<li>Berkeley</li>
<li>Hopkins</li>
<li>Duke</li>
</ol>

<p>name? can't come up of it yet</p>

<p>what about you?</p>

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<p>no duke, ehh</p>

<p>I think only D1 schools should be included…

  • West -
    Stanford
    Berkeley
    UCLA
    USC</p>

<ul>
<li>East -
Northwestern
Michigan
Vanderbilt
Duke</li>
</ul>

<p>More than likely, the West would dominate, at least from a sports standpoint</p>

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<p>^^ Rice is a D1 school (and it’s as much in the East as Northwestern)!</p>

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The original proposed grouping is completely untenable as a “sports league”, because it mixes schools with completely different athletic philosophies and NCAA classifications, ranging from the highest level of NCAA play (Division I) to the lowest (Division III). These schools might be comparable in academic prestige, but they aren’t comparable athletically – and that’s a more fundamental requirement for a “sports league”. </p>

<p>MIT, Chicago, and Hopkins are all NCAA DIII schools. The rest are DI. The DIII schools could not join the others, unless they switched to DI, and they have no interest in doing so. </p>

<p>Chicago used to be DI (it was a founding member of the Big 10), but left DI many years ago and has never looked back. JHU actually has a special exemption to play lacrosse at the DI level, but has worked vigorously to maintain this exemption so all of its other sports can be DIII. </p>

<p>You would need to have either an all-DI league or an all-DIII league. In theory, you could make a prestigious DIII league by combining top LACs (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore), top UAA schools (Chicago, WUSTL), and top tech schools (MIT, Caltech). But these schools have little in common, other than having highly ranked academics and DIII sports, so there is no particular reason for them to join together in a league.</p>

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<p>Sorry Rice. I need to replace you with Duke. I just happen to agree that Duke is more prestigious than Rice, and as this group that we’re forming on here is aimed to compete with Ivy League, which is a very prestigious sports league (though all seemed poor at sports in reality j/k) might as well choose schools that are highly respected in the academic world. </p>

<ol>
<li>Stanford

<ol>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>Michigan</li>
<li>Berkeley</li>
<li>Hopkins</li>
<li>Duke</li>
</ol></li>
</ol>

<p>crs1909: I don’t think it would be a good idea to replace MIT with USC. I don’t think that this new group would be able to compete with the Ivy League with just USC in it. MIT is one of the only 2 schools in this new group that can compete with HYP. If we will remove MIT, the prestige level of this new group would dwindle a lot. Remember, this new group is aimed to compete with the Ivy League in the PRESTIGE RACE as that’s why Ivy League is all about - a prestige group not a sports league. lol</p>

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<ol>
<li>United States Military Academy -West Point</li>
<li>United States Naval Academy - Annapolis</li>
<li>Colgate</li>
<li>Bucknell</li>
<li>Lehigh</li>
<li>Lafayette</li>
<li>Holy Cross</li>
<li>American</li>
</ol>

<p>name? How about Patriot? [The</a> Patriot League - Official Athletic Site](<a href=“http://www.patriotleague.com%5DThe”>http://www.patriotleague.com)</p>

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<p>Urhggg… Caltech has just showed up on the list. How come I have not thought of Caltech a while back? I’m replacing Michigan with Caltech. No LACs please. </p>

<ol>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>Caltech</li>
<li>Berkeley</li>
<li>Hopkins</li>
<li>Duke</li>
</ol>

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<p>Corbett: Thanks for your post and suggestion. It was very informative. However, i’d like to think that geographic location and sports classification/level of performance of the schools shouldn’t be barriers here as we are supposed to form a new group that would rival the Ivy League in the prestige race. Middlebury, Bowdoin, Washington are all great academic institutions. However, they are not very prestigious so I don’t think a group that would be composed by them would be able to compete with the likes of D, B or UPenn let alone HYP.</p>

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Sorry, but I’m afraid that your thinking is wrong. If you want to form an NCAA “sports league” – which is exactly what the Ivy League is – then you have to consider the NCAA sports classification. </p>

<p>If you want to just group schools in terms of prestige, that’s fine, but don’t call it a “sports league”. There is zero basis for grouping schools like Stanford and MIT in terms of athletics.</p>

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<p>what i was saying is we can arrange the sports requirement, such as the sports classification, etc., later on when the group has been formed already. That’s why I was suggesting that barriers should NOT play a role on this process. :)</p>

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<p>If you aren’t concerned about little details like geographic location or NCAA divison for your “sports league”, then you might as well add Oxford and Cambridge to your list.</p>

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<p>This is really weird. RML, didnt u graduate from either Oxford or Cambridge? I cant believe a graduate from one of the best universities in the world would spend so much time on CC and talk about forming an “imaginary league” to rival the Ivy League?! LOL</p>

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<p>BC
Duke
Wake Forest
Notre Dame
Vanderbilt
Northwestern
Stanford
USC
BYU
Rice</p>

<p>All private all D1 sports</p>

<p>If we get 2 more we can have a Conference football playoff- Tulane and Miami.</p>

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<p>RML: Sorry, I just created a league of schools that were all D1 and could realistically form a league.</p>

<p>blackeyedsusan: I tried to keep my league somewhat geographically convenient and so after I had Northwestern, Michigan and Vandy, I had to choose from Duke, UVa and Rice, so I choose Duke.</p>

<p>and I’d honestly replace Hopkins with UCLA because a) imo, UCLA is more prestigious as a whole b) UCLA has more depth (B-School, Law School, Film) and c) I think UCLA appeals more to a broader group of students.</p>

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<p>I know it wouldn’t “rival” the ivy league, but this is easy. The Magnolia League was almost formed and would make a lot of sense:</p>

<p>-Duke
-Wake Forest
-Vanderbilt
-Tulane
-Rice
-SMU
-Miami
-TCU
-Baylor</p>

<p>All private, all southern, all about equal in sports (except in a few instances like Duke in BBall, Miami in football, Rice in Baseball). Perfect. A league like this would work perfectly. All have very good academics (granted some are better than others, but still good nonetheless). This league would really boost the reputations of these schools and be very beneficial.</p>

<p>Plus it would benefit the already established leagues as well. </p>

<p>The Big 12 could pick up Colorado State - a much better fit to the conference than Baylor.</p>

<p>The SEC could pick West Virginia - again a better fit than Vandy. </p>

<p>The Big Ten would drop Northwestern ,which doesn’t fit, to get actually ten schools.</p>

<p>The rest of the ACC and Big East football schools would split into two seperate - a nothern and a southern - conferences.</p>

<p>The north- BC, Cincy, Louisville, Northwestern, UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers (possibly pick up Temple and Miami Ohio)</p>

<p>The South- Virginia, Virginia Tech, UNC, NC State, Florida State, UCF, USF, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Maryland</p>

<p>The rest of the basketball schools in the Big East would form an all Catholic league (Notre Dame, Georgetown, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John’s, Villanova, DePaul, Marquette)</p>

<p>Now all the Conference actually make sense.</p>

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<p>crs: you’re kidding, right? replacing Hopkins with UCLA? UCLA is a great school, no doubt, but, pu-leeeez!</p>

<p>BTW: you know that Hopkins’ Lacrosse team is DI, don’t you?</p>

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<p>Oh…Also…did you know that within the past 2-3 years, Hopkins has sent at least 2 baseball players to the majors? I believe that over the past decade, there have been several. Interesting factoid!</p>

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<p>We hope so…</p>

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<p>That’s nice, but JHop is not a D-I school.</p>

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<p>Johns Hopkins competes in the Division III Centennial Conference in all sports – except men’s and women’s lacrosse, where it competes in Division I as an independent. </p>

<p>The Centennial Conference consists primarily of LACs, including Swarthmore, Haverford, and Bryn Mawr, nearly all of which have enrollments of less than 2,500. In fact, three of the other schools in the conference have enrollments below 1,500.</p>

<p>JHU is competitive in the Centennial Conference, but it would be completely unrealistic for JHU to play in the same athletic league as large DI schools like Stanford, Duke, or Northwestern (except, of course, in lacrosse)</p>