<p>Berkeley, UCLA, Stanford, Cal Tech, USC.</p>
<p>Its in the works.</p>
<p>Do you have any article or other source behind this, or is it just an idea?</p>
<p>The Ivy League isn't really a league of the best schools on the east, it's just a confederation of schools that happen to be fantastic and that plays football together... they won't be letting new people in, and no other group of colleges will call someselves "ivies". Even if they would, they would highly likely consist of only private schools...</p>
<p>But who knows?</p>
<p>I believe (minus CalTech) that it's called the Pac-10...but I may be mistaken.</p>
<p>Colgate used to be Ivy League..... then it quit it... im pretty sure theres like a couple more schools that were originally "Ivy League".. but just quit after they found it too cliqish and elite.</p>
<p>I would tihnk the westcoast ivy league.. would be... (8 schools)- Berkeley,Stanford,UCLA,CalTech,USC, UCSD, Claremont Colleges(all of them represented as one), UDub.</p>
<p>^^ I can definitely see an argument for U of Washington. I am still amazed that Brown graduates cling on to their ivy status as if they are really on the same par with UCSD engineers/science majors. It becomes a crutch to true academic excellence really. </p>
<p>The west coast ivy would be a true groundbreaking accomplishment. To look beyond public/private status and to focus only on academic excellence. What a concept.</p>
<p>Who really cares? I mean prestige is one thing but are you really knocking Brown? It's one of the best schools in the world, just like Stanford, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, I could go on and on. College should be about learning and molding yourself into the person you want to be, not about belittling the educational merits of others. Sheesh!</p>
<p>The west coast already has a NCAA athletic conference. It's called the Pac-10. Anything else would be redundant.</p>
<p>University of Laney makes everyone pale in comparison. </p>
<p>P.S. Laney is a crappy community college about 10 minutes from where i live.</p>
<p>Who really cares? I mean prestige is one thing but are you really knocking Brown? It's one of the best schools in the world, just like Stanford, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, I could go on and on. College should be about learning and molding yourself into the person you want to be, not about belittling the educational merits of others. Sheesh!>>></p>
<p>USC is considered to be a much better school worldwide than Brown. Ivy league status is becoming a crutch to American education. The rest of the world fortunately knows better. </p>
<p>Umm... dood. Most people in the world think that Brown is the color of the toilet water. I doubt that anyone in Europe or Asia even heard of schools like Brown and Dartmouth. </p>
<p>Brown and Dartmouth are riding on the heels of excellence of Harvard and Yale. Bottom line. To be cut off from this would not only force Brown to reevaluate themselves, but also to strive for a real push towards true academic excellence.</p>
<p>Case in point. Browns and Dartmouth's faculty do not make the top ten rated departments hardly at all. Their programs really do suck. It is the right of every hiring manager to know the true academic quality of their students. Are u saying that this right should be denied?</p>
<p>Pac-10 has U Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State, and other TTTs. weaksauce! and UCSD, Caltech, Claremont colleges are all not on there.</p>
<p>And to think that I figured I could be subtle with you folks.</p>
<p>What I'm trying to say is that the Ivy League has nothing to do with academics. It is an athletic league, like the Big-10, Pac-10, Big-12, Big East, etc... Essentially, you're saying, why can't there be a West Coast Division ! athletic conference: I'm saying that it already exists in the form of the Pac-10.</p>
<p>I'm saying that you have no right to call an Ivy League school "crappy." There are plenty of people for whom Brown is their first choice. From what I hear it's a nice place, a "marketplace of ideas," a center of progressive political thought, etc. I'm not applying there, so I don't have any "bias" toward it, but let's go to review.com's selectivity rating...Brown is 99, just like the rest of the schools I mentioned. There's a good chance that if you applied to Brown, you wouldn't get in, just like the rest of the schools. 16% acceptance rate, wow how crappy. You need to get over yourself.</p>
<p>And your point about USC makes my point for me. I didn't say the school was great just because it was an Ivy League school. I quote: "College should be about learning and molding yourself into the person you want to be, not about belittling the educational merits of others." That was my point, and I think it was your point too. Big name is not everything. I think our basic premise is the same, but you create a double standard by talking about all these other schools at Brown's expense. Brown is a perfect fit for some people, and they can get a great education there. That's my point.</p>
<p>actually, brown is one of the easiest "ivies" to get into.. im applying there, and i def consider stanford a better school.. the av SATs for brown are not that high either.. i think brown's standards are closer to emory, but they probably get more applicants (brown does)</p>
<p>Brown is 99, just like the rest of the schools I mentioned. There's a good chance that if you applied to Brown, you wouldn't get in, just like the rest of the schools. 16% acceptance rate, wow how crappy. You need to get over yourself>>>></p>
<p>I just seek to spread the truth about those who maybe are deciding between Brown and UC Irvine engineering, and I am simply relaying the information that hiring managers prefer UC Irvine engineering. Perhaps you don't care about jobs after you graduate but plenty of people do. </p>
<p>I got into UPenn and Cornell. I chose to go to Berkeley. For me, worldwide reputation, quality of professors/department, and having a true eye opening college experience that will change me as a person for the rest of my life was the most important.</p>
<p>I'm not some kind of Brown apologist. I used it as a case in point for the larger issue of intellectual snobbery. The average SAT at Brown is 1390. I applied to Stanford EA so I obviously think it's a great school. But the fact remains that Brown has a 99 rating for selectivity, 94 for academics, not that the ratings mean all that much but it tells you that Brown isn't crap, like California1600 seems to think.</p>
<p>Anyways, I don't mean to offend Brown graduates. But remember, that to bask in ivy league status rather than academic excellence will never lead to an improvement of Brown's academic excellence. Just a point to keep in mind.</p>
<p>I wasn't talking about you per se. You got into UPenn and Cornell, and that's awesome. Brown is just as hard to get into in most respects. All those schools use a holistic process that makes admissions something of a crapshoot.</p>
<p>To go back to an earlier point that the Ivy League is simply an athletic league - I'll have to respectfully disagree. Although it may have started this way and even though that still may technically be the case, the "Ivy League" has evolved to symbolize/encompass more than simply an athletic league. "Ivy League" has become synonymous with academic excellence and prestige. Whether or not the forming of the athletic league was done in any way done to create some sort of elite grouping of schools to garner prestige, it doesn't matter. </p>
<p>Dictionaries get revised and have new definitions and words added to it all the time. Language is very dynamic and different meanings of expressions, symbols, and icons get introduced into our culture all the time. Words, expressions, and heck the name of an athletic league can evolve to mean more than it may have originally. For example, the term computer means a lot more today than it did 100 years ago. I doubt one thinks of "one who computes" when they hear the term "computer" nowadays. Also, I doubt terms and ideas like weed and "puff-the-magic-dragon" conjured up the same type of images 200 years ago, like it does today. Dost thou seeth?</p>
<p>Any way, my point is, The "Ivy League" has come to represent more than just an athletic league. It has come to represent among other things, academic excellence and prestige. Harvard, Yale, and Princeton have helped especially in this regard. Most everyone would agree all the schools in the ivy league are of the highest caliber. Even if not all the schools in the ivy league are at par with HYP or even at par with some non-ivies like Stanford, it doesn't matter. The definition of "Ivy League" has been changed within our culture. Why the heck do you think they create a separate section on the CC forum just for the "Ivy League"? </p>
<p>If Webster's hasn't updated their definition of "Ivy League", I think it's about time for another revision. :)</p>