Help! Tufts vs Cornell?

<p>I know its super late with just two days left until the deadline but if anyone has anything to contribute, please do!
I have narrowed my choices down to Tufts & Cornell - I will probably major in bio/bio&society (somewhere along there). I kind of have an interest in doing medicine, but I'm not entirely sure/committed to that. I know Tufts has their early assurance program & they also have their own med school that prefers Tufts undergrads but I heard Cornell is also really good with natural sciences & also has a great premed advising system. Yes, the two are in completely different places but honestly I would be down with either - I've lived in NYC my whole life so I'm cool if I'm near the city but I think it'd also be awesome living in a completely different area like Ithaca. Financial package is basically around the same (Tufts gave me around 2k more).</p>

<p>If anyone is (or was) in the same situation as me, please comment! Thanks! :) </p>

<p>I would go with Cornell. Don’t they have a bio and society program in one of the state supported schools like Human Ecology that could save you money??</p>

<p>As you’re interested in “bio/ bio & society”, I assume that might mean a public/ community health focus? Or no?</p>

<p>If so, Tufts’ multidisciplinary Community Health Program is very well-established and reputable. It is taken on as a second major by students majoring not just in bio but in history, etc. Fits in well with Tufts’ “change the world” ethos (which also manifests itself it Tufts being a top producer of Peace Corps volunteers). </p>

<p><a href=“About | Department of Community Health”>About | Department of Community Health;
<a href=“Internships | Department of Community Health”>Internships | Department of Community Health;

<p>Here’s info on Tufts’ Health Professions Advising:
<a href=“http://uss.tufts.edu/hpa/”>http://uss.tufts.edu/hpa/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>And I believe Tufts boast a higher med school acceptance rate than Cornell (75% vs. 67%), but this data might be a few years old.</p>

<p>As for undergrad experience, Tufts offers best of many worlds—easy urban access to Davis/ Harvard Squares and Boston but with the sense of refuge that comes from being in a first-tier suburb; opportunities for university-caliber research, smaller classes, accessibility to and personal support from professors and advisors; a smart, hyper-engaged and super-friendly student body; a relatively non-cutthroat pre med culture.</p>

<p>And here’s what a Tufts adcom has posted before on the topic of pre-health advising:</p>

<p><a href=“Tufts premed - Tufts University - College Confidential Forums”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/tufts-university/1124755-tufts-premed.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Two great options, one difficult choice. Good luck!</p>

<p>If your major would be Bio & Society, then is it the case that you are not admitted to CAS at Cornell, but rather that you are admitted to the College of Human Ecology? If so, there is a different curriculum, with a different layout of how many courses you can must take within Hum Ec, vs elsewhere in the university. I suggest you make a detailed examination of what that would mean in your case. My son considered applying to Hum Ec, but decided not to after he realized he was constrained, and would have to take a fair number of courses he had no interest in. You, on the other hand , may like or even prefer that curriculum. Remember one’s major only accounts for about 1/3 of the total college courses they will take.</p>

<p>This consideration aside, I would pick the school I think I might like better.</p>

<p>Personally I am intrigued by these “tweener” sized schools, like Tufts or U Rochester. Proponents claim they offer “the best of both worlds”- relatively moderate class sizes in the lower class years, but still lots of advanced course selection in the upperclass years. However in actuality, on the other hand, they may offer “the worst of both worlds” - classes perhaps smaller but still too big to be truly initmate in the lower class years, and also not that much to offer really in the way of advanced courses in the upperclass years. I’m not sure which is actually the case.</p>

<p>Hi everyone,
Thank you all so much for responding! To clear things up a bit - I was actually admitted to the College of Arts and Sciences. I like biology but also have an interest in public health and psychology so I applied to CAS just so I could keep my options more open (since CAS has psychology). I’m leaning more towards Cornell right now but gosh this decision is so hard :’(</p>

<p>It is tough, when you have at the end more than one viable option and they don’t obviously separate
themselves. I remember D1 had a tough time, at the end</p>

<p>It’s especially tough because, for many of you, this is the first such decision you’ve had to make.
It won’t be the last though.
Which graduate program? Which job? Which spouse? Which house? Which school for our kid(s)?</p>

<p>You just have to make the best guess you can and hope for the best. Or, better yet, take positive steps to increase the odds that it will come out for the best.</p>

<p>Do your personal pro/con spreadheets,whatever else.
And if you’re still nowhere, just try to guess where you might like it better, and go with your gut.
That’s my suggestion.</p>

<p>An update on earlier post:</p>

<p>The admit rate to med school from Tufts was 87%, I believe, in 2012.</p>

<p>Here’s more info on pre-health, plus another potentially helpful CC thread from 2013:</p>

<p><a href=“http://admissions.tufts.edu/academics/pre-health-information/”>http://admissions.tufts.edu/academics/pre-health-information/&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“Tufts v Wellesley v Michigan - Tufts University - College Confidential Forums”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/tufts-university/1483777-tufts-v-wellesley-v-michigan-p1.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>And monydad’s advice is on the money!</p>

<p>I’m no pre-med expert, but I’ve read posts on CC about this topic over the years. The biggest pre-med posters on CC , to my knowledge, have been medical students Bluedevilmike (a Duke grad), norcalguy (a Cornell grad), and Bigredmed (a U Nebraska grad). I’d encourage you to peruse their past posts (though it may take a decade). They’ve all (I think) said that posted med school admit rates need to be viewed with a critical eye, for a number of reasons. There is inconsistent reporting among schools; and there is more to it than it may seem. eg , different proportion of iffy applicants discouraged from applying, and then not tracking their subsequent application results; some states favoring their own residents and maybe having higher admit rates for those students; other stuff. One thing I read, for example, was Cornell does not include #s for DO program admissions, just MD programs, whereas others do include them. I recall one case where Swarthmore (IIRC) quoted 100% successful admissions based on the results 6 of its students who applied straight from college, while ignoring the results of 40 of its alums who applied at the same time!! </p>

<p>This is one of a number of posts by Bigredmed on this topic:</p>

<p>" However, the place where one has the best shot of getting into medical school is not the place with the high acceptance rate. That tells you NOTHING about the quality of pre-med advising, the opportunities available for research/volunteering/campus involvement/leadership, or any of the other important little things that matter when picking a school. Sure it might be an aggregate of those things, but as has been said acceptance rate is an easily manipulated statistic. The schools with really high acceptance rates either are phenomenal, or (more likely) pre-screen their applicants and only let those students are virtual locks for acceptance apply.</p>

<p>But the key is that acceptance rate tells you nothing about how well any single individual student is doing or going to do. Environment is key and if you hate your experience somewhere it’s hard to do your best.</p>

<p>The other thing is that there are many other external factors that play a role in the acceptance rate that having nothing to due with the qualities of the actual school. For example, Stanford and Berkeley, no one doubts the quality of education that one will receive at these places, but I think it is pretty apparent that location plays a big role in their surprisingly low acceptance rates. Being in CA, students at these schools are much more likely to be applying to only CA medical schools which are ultra-competitive (b/c of the # of applicants). Even if they aren’t applying only to med schools in CA, those schools are going to make up a greater portion of their list. Simply move those schools to other parts of the country so students are applying to less competitive medical schools on average, and the acceptance rate for both schools would likely shoot up. It doesn’t make sense to put a high priority on a stat so easily manipulated by things that aren’t even controllable by the schools.</p>

<p>The place where a student has the best chance of getting into medical school is, and always will be, the place where they have the best chance of success. This means it’s an entirely personal decision. If you go to a school with a 98% acceptance rate, that rate doesn’t mean much if you’re part of that 2% that didn’t get in. "</p>

<p>The combined bio-science offerings of HumEc, CALS, and CAS at Cornell are almost unparalleled. If you would transfer to HumEc or CALS, would you be an in-state student? The cost savings could be significant. Med School is crazy expensive. If that remains a serious goal, you want to think now about where the money will come from to pay for it.</p>

<p>Thanks everyone for all the help! I decided to go with Cornell, hopefully it was the right decision :)</p>

<p>Thanks for letting us know, I hate it when we never find out.
Now do everything you can to make it the right decision!</p>