Help! Two wildly different programs - unsure whether to transfer or stay put

Question that I don’t know where to post anywhere else, except CC. Desperate for some insight and guidance. Don’t wanna give too much away in case this is stumbled upon later, but here goes:

My S is a sophomore at a large state university, ranked #225ish nationally, but unranked/mostly unknown in the theater arts department. He is a double BFA major in professional acting and, as of next semester, musical theatre too. The student aid is meh, and we have to pay the rest of the tuition and room and board, even though it isn’t much.

On a lark he applied to transfer to one of the top #30 nationally-ranked universities in the country. Not only did he get in, but he got an enormous amount of financial aid-almost a full ride-and admitted into their dramatic arts program. They are not super well-known for this BA (not BFA) program, but they are one of the oldest theater departments in the country, and additionally, they have a very highly ranked MFA in dramatic arts.

They are well-connected with a professional theater company and an undergraduate level theater company. Again, the school is almost like a public ivy.

The question is, what is the best thing to do? Obviously the new school is amazing, but would he be suffering going from his current fairly unknown (and not on any lists around here on CC to speak of) BFA double major MT/Acting to an also fairly unknown BA Drama program?

The prospective school will likely have better connections down the road and also has a bit of a better potential to get into their prestigious MFA too. Like I said, it’s an in-state school but also a top 30 school in the country, so the alumni network is strong.

I was also thinking going to a school like the new school’s prestige would make it a bit easier to get into an MFA program down the road somewhere else as well, though I don’t really know if it not being a BFA would hurt him. People there tend to say it’s a BA that acts like a BFA, but I don’t know how much that applies down the road. Obviously he would not get the musical theater training at the new school either.

Help! We really need to make a decision soon. I obviously would like him to go to the more prestigious school, maybe, but I also don’t want to hurt him, if the double major BFA from his current, but fairly unknown, school is somehow a better thing. Also, his current school’s faculty and leadership has kind of gone down in quality over the past 5 years, and even though the main acting teacher is still very prestigious, he’s let my S. know that his (the professor’s) days may be numbered teaching there.

Thank you everyone so much! For any insight! :slightly_smiling_face: :heart:

P.S. He does love and enjoy his current school and friends, even though he’s had some annoyances about the caliber of some parts of the program here and there, he’s been very successful there and has a 4.0. However, he fits in pretty easily wherever he goes, so I think he would enjoy the new school just as much.

Additionally, this new school was one of his dream schools when he was in high school, but he didn’t get accepted back then as a high school student. Since it’s a BA, it’s a non-audition program, so he did not get into the school back then, based on how wildly competitive the school is for freshman. Also, the new school is also two hours away from the old school, and he’s worried about telling his girlfriend, so there’s that. :rofl: Any advice is welcome, and thank you!

Difficult to offer advice without knowledge of the two schools’ names.

Well, he was the only person offered transfer admission there this year, so I didn’t want to post it publicly. I will DM to anyone that’s wondering :slight_smile:

Consider contacting MFA programs that may be of interest to your son & ask for their advice since your primary concern seems to be the effect of a BA versus BFA when applying to MFA degree programs.

My opinion: Transfer due to the stellar reputation of the new school & because the top instructor at current school has shared that he will be leaving soon as well as to the general decline of the overall BFA program at current school.

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Thank you! DM sent. Hopefully I did it right! I’ll check to be sure.:rofl:

Another consideration: Industry connections. Does the current BFA program have connections within the acting business / Hollywood that can get your son auditions ?

Northwestern University, for example, is a BA degree acting program with significant connections in LA & Hollywood movie industry. USC as well.

A great source of information would be recent & past graduates of your son’s current BFA school.

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Yes, that’s another bit of an issue: there is no real, current, accomplished alumni network to speak of at the current school.
A current Hollywood A-lister did attend his current school - but that was over 30 years ago and that person has no involvement now. People have dribs and drabs of success here and there, but there’s no real network.

The new school has a legendary alumni network, in general, though I’m not sure how it is in the theater program - but I suspect it is likely quite robust, as the school, overall, is known for their loyal alumni.

Also, wonderful info about Northwestern and USC! Great to know. Wow. Thank you. :slight_smile:

FWIW I attended a rural LAC a few decades ago. One of my classmates is now a major, leading casting director in Hollywood. Our school did not, to the best of my recollection, offer a major in theatre or acting. He was a pre-med student.

I feel I have a pretty good idea of which two schools you may mean. My feeling is that something made your son want to apply to transfer to this other school and now that he has gotten in, I would think he would want to attend.

BFA or BA degree program, I think that his new school has a better reputation in the theater world than his current college. I think it is more connected to the professional acting world as well. The locations are very different too.

Also, going from a BA to an MFA is very, very common. It is probably more common than going from a BFA to an MFA because a BFA is considered a terminal professional degree program.

If you can dm me the two schools that would be great but here is the reality. Make sure he has something to fall back on. Many unemployed actors. Yes, businesses will hire them for other fields but it’s really hard to sustain a living whether live theater, movie or commercials. Some get lucky. Don’t worry about MFA programs now.

Also the most connections win. Lol… Since the second school has that how does that help your child? Do they offer ability to work with these Alumni. My daughter went to a small Lac for theater design with strong connection to Chicago theater. She got great jobs /internships if you will and making connections that her school provided. If that school has that then that’s great. Don’t worry what famous person came from here and there. That’s stuff for the pamphlets and won’t affect your child. To move on either he has talent some director needs or he doesn’t. Auditions are many with few job prospects. That’s the reality. But its his dream.

Also keep in mind… Covid will challenge acting in theaters. What’s their plan going forward to get experience?

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My daughter started as a theater major at a BFA program (non-audition). I asked what the difference between BA and BFA programs were, was one better, etc. and the only answers I go were how many credits in theater were required. For most BAs at her school, 40-45 credits were required, but for the BFA it was 65. The school also had distribution requirements and college of A&S requirements, so basically with the BFA there wasn’t a lot of room to explore classes outside the theater and dance department.

So, to me, it is not a big deal and I actually prefer the BA as the student has more options for exploring other courses in college. At her school, if they had offered a BA she could have taken all the same classes as a BFA students (use electives to take those dance classes or history of theater). She actually transferred out of the theater major because she wanted to take more art history, more history, explore more subjects. In the end, she didn’t even get the minor in theater because she didn’t want to take the required courses (like history of theater).

I’d eliminate the BA/BFA issue from the decision. Which school is doing the type of theater he likes best? Which school has other courses he’s interested in?