<p>hmom5: an IQ test was involved. I in no way asked for recognition. </p>
<p>While it may be impressive on here to be clever and facetious, elsewhere it's called making crap up. I didn't say I was vastly intelligent. I said I had a certain IQ score. I also said I don't respect IQ. What more do you want? The question was simple: should it or should it not be used on an application?</p>
<p>ChaoticOrder: this is getting ridiculous. I said I got a certain IQ score, nothing more. And if you had taken any time to read what I wrote, you would have seen that I explicitly stated it was a ratio IQ. Ratio IQs are highly skewed at the top because of ceiling bumping and the nonsensical method of calculation. My information is based on the WISC and some version of the Stanford-Binet. </p>
<p>I'm done with this, because I'm not here to debate things I never said. I'm here to get an answer from someone who is capable of answering a reasonable question in a reasonable manner.</p>
<p>ILikeBigButtz:</p>
<p>A) me, if high IQ is accepted as high-intelligence</p>
<p>B) I would have to join a society and put it on my resume. Still pretentious and arrogant, but less so than using it to break an awkward silence. </p>
<p>C) I've already been up to that. I still don't see why doing well on tests with low ceilings is considered more useful than reporting a score on a test with a much higher ceiling. Sure, there's a difference between intellectual potential and knowledge, but each AP test only measures your knowledge of a single textbook's contents, and the SAT/ACT measure even less.</p>
<p>ILikeBigButtz: I don't know that they would. It's just one option that's available. I'm trying to find out whether it'll work for me or against me.</p>
<p>Probably to no extent will it help you. Colleges don't particularly care how intelligent you are, as long as you are intelligent enough. The differentiating factors beyond this would lie in your academics and extracurriculars.</p>
<p>I love you DiscothequeEnnui! I have a thing for geniuses.</p>
<p>bay-area: I'll just use my standardized test scores, then. </p>
<p>You may have noticed from my posts in this thread that I'm not particularly thrilled about my academic situation at this point. I'm always angry about going through the motions, and it's showing. My grades, mainly A's but some B's and C's, reflect that. However, I've taken AP courses solidly throughout high school so far, and gotten 5's on all the tests. I assume I'll do the same this year (junior). I'll have taken 19 AP tests by the end of the year. Is it safe to assume that I can ditch AP next year? My scores don't mean much if colleges think I'm a bum. To me, the only grade that matters is the AP score, but I'm sure they think differently. Pottery, quantum physics, and lots of study halls sound good for next year, but if that makes me seem like I'm insane, I'll have to keep with the AP.</p>
<p>Bob.Dylan, you are my hero. Thank you for telling it like it is.</p>
<p>OP, having a high IQ is great. However, you have to be able to express it. Blowing off the high scores you get on standardized tests as meaningless expresses, as other posters have said, that you are pretentious and preoccupied with being "brilliant." You have to be able to be express your purported intelligence rather than just boast about it. If standardized tests aren't doing it for you, conduct some of your own research. Read through a fourth library (I must admit, I rolled my eyes at that bit) and then write a nice long paper detailing a subject of interest to you. Or if writing isn't your cup of tea, do some science research or some research of a mathematical nature. Submit that as a supplement to colleges, and that will count for something if it is well done. </p>
<p>IQ by itself is virtually meaningless. Any intelligence is worthless if it is not utilized for someone other than yourself.</p>
<p>DISCLAIMER: Before reading this post, assume IQ=Intelligence, as it has been assumed for most posts during this thread (including the OP's, although he said otherwise).</p>
<p>I almost can't endure reading this guy's posts anymore, honestly.</p>
<p>Okay man, you're smart. Do something with your intelligence. What do you expect to do with your life? Do you enjoy telling yourself that you are vastly more intelligent than everyone around you and that you can't even associate with them because of said intelligence?</p>
<p>If you are indeed as smart as you say, you should be able to do something with it. At least realize the importance of what you are so bored with. Saying that work is intended for the "135ers" is, quite frankly, retarded. Scoring high on an IQ test does not allow you to slack off. If you do, enjoy your life man, because you won't be going anywhere soon. I suggest you clean up your act, suck it up, and work harder in school. Nobody likes school. I personally hate it, but I do the work consistently. I am widely considered the smartest (or at least one of the smartest) kids in the grade, but I don't let that consume me.</p>
<p>Now, I don't want to come off as condescending or anything of the sort, as I went through a similar phase. Freshman year I really didn't give a **** about school, and my GPA reflects that. While I got no C's, it brings down my class rank from top 5 in the grade, to around 25th. Pretty demoralizing. I'll get back up soon enough, but never where I Would have been, and I won't go to MIT or Yale like I would like to, simply because of similar feelings. Get over it man, you'll be happy you did.</p>
<p>P.S. What kind of school do you go to? SEVEN AP's freshman year? I have the most AP's of any kid in my grade, and I'm only taking four, and I'm a junior too. The guidance office was reluctant about letting me take that many...it's the most offered for this year I believe.</p>
<p>I think the point we're all trying to communicate to the OP is that despite how smart he is, he can still do really, really, really dumb stuff. Intelligence =/= never make a mistake. It would be a huge mistake not to go to college and use your vast intelligence to assimilate as much knowledge as possible.</p>
<p>You're intelligent, granted, but school should be worthwhile to you if for no other reason because it will provide you outlets for your intelligence. There are questions that don't have answers... if you're smart enough, you can answer them. But being smart isn't enough.</p>
<p>Does P = NP? Is there an elementary proof of Fermat's Last Theorem? Is quantum computing practical?</p>
<p>These are questions which require high levels of intelligence to answer. But intelligence isn't enough. You have to understand the background to answer them... you have to know what other smart people have done, and what lines of inquiry are rabbit holes, and what the terms involved mean.</p>
<p>Without context - and colleges really provide context more than anything else - intelligence means nothing. Computers don't work without electricity, but electricity can't tell you that 2+3=5. Same principle.</p>
<p>Hey, I just want to say if you have 19 5's on AP tests and you score very well on the SAT and ACT you'll be able to go anywhere you want whether it's harvard or oxford regardless of your IQ. Also, trust me in saying that many peolple feel your pain. I too have exhausted most the classes at my highschool, now I'm just trying to coast through the rest of my junior and seniors years while maintaining my GPA. So just hang on and enjoy the ride it will be over soon enough.</p>
<p>*Bob.Dylan.: You assume I'm as hostile as you are. I'm not. I'm just here to ask about a specific topic, not my overall chances with all my stats and EC's listed. IQ is central to this thread, obviously. It's in the title. I'm not sure why you'd expect anything else.</p>
<p>People on here are all repeating the same classic argument that holds no water with high IQ scorers. Nobody's under any additional pressure to accomplish anything just because they're deemed smarter by a society that still condemns people to death. Anyone can and should do with their life what they will. The woman with the highest recorded IQ writes an advice column for Parade Magazine. The two men with the second and third highest recorded IQs both work as bouncers. One has a compulsive attachment to a lost Who Wants to Be a Millionare? question. The lesson in morality you're trying to get across isn't something new to me. I didn't ask you to judge me morally. I have chosen what I have chosen, so far. Given that, an answer to the question was requested. It's clear now that most people are just going to get defensive and assume my intention is to show people up. I can't argue with that. Maybe how I've written my posts indicates that, but I've already told you that I'm socially inept. Whatever the case, it wouldn't be worth the risk when I send in my applications. I'll just use standardized test scores, as I've already said.</p>
<p>The "135ers" comment was meant as sarcasm. I was parroting hmom5's wording.</p>
<p>And the 7 AP's: I go to a school with very argumentative parents. Guidance cowers and does what they say. About half have been in school, half through correspondence. At the end of this year, I'll have taken all of what my school has to offer. Another reason to ditch AP next year.</p>
<p>Now, for the off topic stuff:</p>
<p>phanatic: I take it you've never been a reader. For some people, reading is a compulsion that must be carried out. It's very possible to read several books a day, especially if you blow off other things, as I do. I'm not talking about the Boston Public Library with its 7 million volumes. </p>
<p>And yes, I have disdain for almost everything related to AP. It's rote memorization. There's little to no thought involved. I'm not preoccupied with being "brilliant." I'm preoccupied with knowledge. To me, AP isn't knowledge, it's an exercise in knowing how to handle the test and focusing your attention on it. Having money and going to a good school is more important than anything else. If colleges are impressed with it - that's fine. I'm relying on it, because I haven't done much non-academic (e.g. save the whales) stuff that can be enumerated.</p>
<p>AuburnMathTutor: apparently, someone on the chances board has come up with an unpublished binomial proof of Fermat's Last Theorem. And he was told that he'd have pretty good chances at top colleges. Pretty good is an understatement, even if the attempted proof is incorrect.</p>
<p>In order to approach a proof of the P versus NP problem, several major assumptions need to be made which would discount the result. No technique that I know of could prove all cases (NP-completeness being the most glaringly obvious). </p>
<p>School isn't an outlet for intelligence. I thought everybody knew that. It's a system for breaking down any humanity you thought you had coming in. I know that college differs from high school in several basic ways, but that doesn't mean I'm going to enjoy it. I'm giving it a shot, though, and that's all I feel I need to do.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
<p>"AuburnMathTutor: apparently, someone on the chances board has come up with an unpublished binomial proof of Fermat's Last Theorem. And he was told that he'd have pretty good chances at top colleges. Pretty good is an understatement, even if the attempted proof is incorrect."</p>
<p>LOL, I have a few unpublished proofs of Fermat's last theorem as well, LOLOLOL. I guess that makes me awesome, too. Please.</p>
<p>"In order to approach a proof of the P versus NP problem, several major assumptions need to be made which would discount the result. No technique that I know of could prove all cases (NP-completeness being the most glaringly obvious). "</p>
<p>I'm not sure that any of what you just said makes any sense. I can't tell if your wording is terrible or if you're just feigning knowledge to avoid the point I was making. You can prove P = NP by finding one polynomial time algorithm for any NP-complete problem. I'm not sure what assumptions were made, except that things which can be proven are correct.</p>
<p>"School isn't an outlet for intelligence. I thought everybody knew that. It's a system for breaking down any humanity you thought you had coming in. I know that college differs from high school in several basic ways, but that doesn't mean I'm going to enjoy it. I'm giving it a shot, though, and that's all I feel I need to do."</p>
<p>School isn't an outlet, but it provides context. I'm sorry if I misspoke or wasn't entirely clear on how I feel about this. Without context, intelligence means nothing... in fact, intelligence is wasted unless you provide a context for that intelligence to operate in. Not that intelligence shouldn't be wasted... that's up to the individual.</p>
<p>But intelligence without application is nothing to brag about. And it sort of sounds like you're bragging, and giving your IQ on a college application would sound like bragging too. For somebody with such a high IQ, you seem to be missing the big picture in all these replies and focusing on the (irrelevant?) details.</p>
<p>Be yourself, if that means putting down that you have a high IQ, then do it. Also, apply to a lot of top schools. I'm sure one or more will accept you for who you are, whether that be an intelligent snob or a smart socially-inept kid. That way you have a better chance of going somewhere with like-minded students.</p>
<p>I have the urge to watch Good Will Hunting after reading this thread.</p>
<p>Gotta watch Wapner...</p>
<p>an 200+ IQ is crazy... The only way you can prove that is by scoring the perfect 2400 on the SAT... shouldnt be a problem since you have billions of 5s on the AP... im not saying that you DONT have an IQ of 200+, simply because i dont know you.. but im sure everyone here is expecting a 2400 to back you up... good luck</p>
<p>Rather than continuing the current course of this thread...</p>
<p>"Where is the 'I believe I have profound insight into the nature of various things' accomplishment?"</p>
<p>It's called "academic publications". If you are really that bored with high school and want to put your intelligence to use, then go to a local university, register to take classes as a non-degree seeking student in the afternoon or evening (most high schools will let you leave early to do this - go in the summer if you must), and then ask a professor to let you participate in some research.</p>
<p>If half of what you're saying in here is true, you should be able to create at least a passable working paper or maybe even a second tier publication. Put that on your resume next to a reference from a tenured professor and actual college coursework, and you should have no problem with admissions. In fact, the "top schools" will likely start making significant scholarship offers. </p>
<p>Then you continue your research as an undergrad, and top grad schools will offer you fellowships. Continue your research through grad school, and you'll graduate half way to tenure with a top placement. </p>
<p>And it's not as if you need to start attending Penn as a high school student before applying to Harvard - this plan would work with any research university. It is also not impossible; it's what I did in high school.</p>
<p>^ Agree wholeheartedly with Burdell. Two of my highly intelligent friends actually managed to score a research opportunity with a physics professor in our local university and managed to get a paper published (with their own names in front of the professor, no less) in Physical Review A, one of the most respected and well-known journals in physics - all before they turned 18.</p>