High Point University NC - others like it?

<p>I have no competition for someone else taking my Valedictorian position for various reasons. I am not trying to be arrogant, but I am LIGHTYEARS ahead of numbers 2-5. Regarding AP courses, here is my track:</p>

<p>Junior Year -</p>

<p>AP English Composition (A+)
AP US History (A+)
Philosophy 121 (UNCG) (A-)
German II (A)
Honors Chemistry (2nd Semester)
Honors Precalculus (2nd Semester)
Honors German III (2nd Semester)
Cultural Anthropology (2nd Semester) (UNCG)</p>

<p>Senior Year -</p>

<p>AP English Literature
AP Calculus AB
AP Biology
Honors German IV
AP German
Western Civilizations I
Western Civilizations II</p>

<p>I have maxed out the number of available AP courses at my school. I am already taking courses at UNCG; I think that says much for my coursework, wouldn't you say? I am also self-studying for AP Human Geography this semester.</p>

<p>Let it be said, however, that I am not your "typical" CC'er with 6 million APs and curing cancer. I am only human.</p>

<p>Thank you for your luck, however! ;-)</p>

<p>Sligh_Anarchist- How do you find the classes at UNCG. My D was accepted from O/O/S. She plans to major in English/ Education. She most likely will not attend UNCG but we do plan to visit just the same.</p>

<p>How is the social activity at UNCG- does it empty on weekends?</p>

<p>Oh, I am sorry Tom1944, I can't answer that question because I take my UNCG courses online. UNCG offers some of their courses online, so it beats the expensive of traveling 30 miles to it every day or so. </p>

<p>Personally, I think UNCG is ugly; however, the professors (the ones I have) are really smart and friendly. I refer to my Philosophy 121 professor by his first name if that means anything. </p>

<p>I have no clue about the social scene at UNCG.</p>

<p>I don't believe UNCG is that competitive nor great in comparison to the other branches of UNC such as Chapel Hill (The grand daddy of the UNC system.)</p>

<p>Where else did she get admitted into?</p>

<p>So far- UNC Asheville and Greensboro, Goucher, George Mason and Ramapo College of NJ. She is waiting for UMBC.</p>

<p>Tom, Congratulations to you and your D!</p>

<p>Thanks northeastmom.</p>

<p>UNC-A is considered more prestigious and more rigorous than UNC-G. However that also depends on the program. UNC-G actually has one of the finest Music Departments in the entire state of North Carolina. </p>

<p>Its not an "ugly" campus. Greensboro is not an "ugly" city. I know what "ugly" is, and its not UNC-G. </p>

<p>The "rankings' of the UNC system are generally considered to be as follows:</p>

<p>UNC-Chapel Hill,
UNC-Asheville,
UNC-Wilmington
UNC-Charlotte or UNC-Greensboro
UNC-Pembroke</p>

<p>But many people challenge even those rankings after UNC-Chapel Hill.</p>

<p>sligh, where do you take your AP classes? At your high school or elsewhere? Not all AP classes, or high schools are created equal, I am afraid to tell you. You have done well and congratulations. Also, colleges want to know how you did on the national AP exams, as that is an equalizer of sorts for quality of instruction. I know some AP classes that were so hard that getting a B was considered excellent work, and the kids all got 5's on the exam. But I also know AP classes that were soft and even the "A" kids barely got "3's".</p>

<p>Sewanee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>

<p>seafoodlover, you left out a few....so as not to confuse anyone.. NC State University, Western Carolina University, East Carolina University, Appalachian State University, plus the HBCU's..Winston Salem State, NC A&T, Fayeteville State, Elizabeth City State...all are part of the UNC system as well as the "hyphen" schools.</p>

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I have maxed out the number of available AP courses at my school. I am already taking courses at UNCG; I think that says much for my coursework, wouldn't you say? I am also self-studying for AP Human Geography this semester.</p>

<p>Let it be said, however, that I am not your "typical" CC'er with 6 million APs and curing cancer. I am only human.

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Just for the record... you will be 6/6 for APs... (or 7/6 if your HG thing works out) for (number of APs/number offered at your school)
I am 1/0 XD Beat that! j/k
To be more precise shouldn't you say UNCGi?
/End Being annoying
Actually, if a student cures cancer, they will probably be rejected at Ivy League schools, just for the irony.</p>

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seafoodlover, you left out a few....so as not to confuse anyone.. NC State University, Western Carolina University, East Carolina University, Appalachian State University, plus the HBCU's..Winston Salem State, NC A&T, Fayeteville State, Elizabeth City State...all are part of the UNC system as well as the "hyphen" schools.

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Well... also The North Carolina School of the Arts is a constitute member, and does have a college program.</p>

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sligh, where do you take your AP classes? At your high school or elsewhere? Not all AP classes, or high schools are created equal, I am afraid to tell you. You have done well and congratulations. Also, colleges want to know how you did on the national AP exams, as that is an equalizer of sorts for quality of instruction. I know some AP classes that were so hard that getting a B was considered excellent work, and the kids all got 5's on the exam. But I also know AP classes that were soft and even the "A" kids barely got "3's".<a href="I%20hope%20he%20doesn't%20mind%20me%20answering%20for%20him.">/quote</a>
He takes them at his high school school.... and I'll leave it to him to describe in as little or as a great of detail as he desires.

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It was just ridiculous the amount of attitude I received today about one little exam. My school, honestly, just caters to the poor, low-IQ student that comprises 98% of my school. I can't stand this city school! Even my AP teachers note the lack of concern for the AP students (most of whom really are not AP quality students; they are lazy and would be considered "normal" students where I am from.)

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This might shed some insight, but honestly there is nothing he can do about the quality of his AP courses.
I personally do not know how he did on his AP tests/ or will do, but one thing is the school board only allows 1 semester courses, until average scores start going up.
I think that colleges should understand his problem and he should shouldn't have a big problem getting into many schools. He probably won't get into Duke, as he said, but it is good to have reaches, matches and safeties. And I don't believe he listed his safeties.</p>

<p>@ seafoodlover</p>

<p>Yes, I must concede that my AP courses are not that rigorous due to the low quality students that my schools has. These "AP" students have been classified as "AIG" since grammar school, yet they refuse to do the work that an AP course demands. I had one girl come up to me and say, "Sebastian (me), how are you making an A in AP USH??? It is so hard! I don't understand anything!" And my response was "Well, are you reading ANYTHING?" And she says "No."</p>

<p>See what I have to deal with? Thanks aigiqinf for clarifying my situation as well.</p>

<p>This is but one case I have to deal with; the others are worse. I am not the product of my environment and I will rise above that. I have not taken any AP exams yet, but my first three are coming up in May (obviously.) I will show my school that our AP students can do well by making atleast 4's on all of my exams. That will validate my rank as the valedictorian as other valedictorians have done at my school before me.</p>

<p>If it were not for hard work, a little wit, and intelligence, I would not be where I am today. </p>

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<p>You like Greensboro? I hate Greensboro. I am just really not a fan of big, urban areas. I enjoy small towns far better! Everything is subjective, you must note! ;-) </p>

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<p>Safety school for me are:</p>

<p>NC State
Guilford College
UNC - Wilmington
High Point University</p>

<p>In response somewhat to what aigiqinf said.</p>

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<p>Good lord, we have really high-jacked this poor guy/gal's thread! A thousand apologies to the OP!</p>

<p>Likewise, I am ensuring that I am receiving an AP-quality education. I, essentially, consider myself self-studying my AP courses considering their low-quality. I have put a tremendous amount of outside effort into my courses. I have been doing other work, reading novels, primary-source documents, et cetera to ensure I will do well on the AP exams. Most of what I do has nothing to do with the my corresponding grade for that course, although the self-studying I do certainly bolsters my grade and helps me attain those A's where my fellow classmates get C's, D's, and F's. </p>

<p>One does not need quality teachers to learn. In fact, in my years in the education system, as you may have likewise discovered, many of your "teachers" will be nothing but idiots and frauds who know nothing on their subject. A quality student makes sure that an excellent education is provided, and if it need be through one's own initiative, then so be it!</p>

<p>The source of this argument truly lies in why the education system has failed so many of us, don't you agree?</p>

<p>I could write a PhD thesis on the problems in the Education System, the fraud fix that is No Student Left Behind, and all sorts of sub titles, like how it utterly fails learning disabled or ADD kids. I can count on one hand the number of truly committed teachers my kids have had. Well..maybe one and a half. On the other hand, I would not want to be a teacher for any amount of money, unless and until the "rules change". The reason I ask about the location of AP classes is that in my kids' school system some AP classes are taught at the local high school, or home school, and the majority are offered at the local community college. The former are weak courses with feeble teachers, and its a joke to call them AP. The latter are much tougher courses and have very rigorous teachers who grade very tough. Thus taking USHistory at the home school is a cake walk and taking it at the community college is truly a challenge. The AP test scores vindicate my opinion. </p>

<p>I am not picking on you, except to give you a little bit of reality training. While you are to be commended for taking the toughest classes offered, being the current valedictorian and desiring to attend a top notch college in state, you must also be prepared for the challenge of the college admissions process which is anything but predictable, and is often arbitrary and capricious. If you had a 2200 SAT things would be looking better for you. I am not saying that any or all of your reach schools wont take you, but you must be prepared for at least a few rejections. And for kids with your ambitions and being valedictorian that is sometimes a bitter pill to swallow. The Admissions Director at UVa told me to my face that they could fill their entire freshman class with valedictorians if they chose to do so. They dont, so many valedictorians are in fact rejected. Being a valedictorian does not give you a right to be admitted, only the possibility of being admitted. </p>

<p>You should focus on the schools you really want to attend, and make sure your reason for doing so is more substantive than that schools lofty ranking. It should be because it is the best school for your personality, skill set, facilities, programs, culture, financial picture etc. Make sure your match and safety schools are institutions where you can see yourself being happy and thriving, not just schools that have the avg. scores that fit your scores. Because you may end up at one of them, you never know.</p>

<p>Students who are getting D's and F's in an AP course are NOT doing themselves any favors. They need to withdraw and go back to Honors courses. Success in class, indeed success in college requires work ethic and maturity as much as native intelligence. Lots of very smart kids blow out in college the first year because they cant handle the freedom and they are too immature to buckle down and study. </p>

<p>And before anyone attacks me for my indictment of the teaching profession, I would like to add that many excellent teachers are numb with the process, the lack of serious scholarship by students, the problem parents, the bureaucracy, the paperwork etc etc. The point I was making was simply that a handful of teachers have earned my utmost respect for being truly gifted educators...the whole package: brilliant in the subject, skilled motivators, and dedicated professionals who go above and beyond the call of duty to meet the needs of each individual student and be responsive to parents. I am not suggesting they were teachers who gave out easy "A's" either. To the contrary, they often were the toughest graders and the most demanding. Its a very stressful and often thankless job. But I am effusive with praise for those who really care and really do an excellent job. </p>

<p>Learning is an experience brought about by communication between the students and the teacher. Its not spoonfed information poured down their throats. Its a spirited dialogue, an exchange of ideas, challenging concepts and theories. Learning HOW to think, not WHAT to think. Learning HOW to write, not WHAT to write.</p>

<p>Finally, I am not suggesting that sligh cannot succeed at Duke with a 1900/2400 SAT. To the contrary, I think the SAT is a poor measure of success in college. Success in college depends on motivation, work ethic, maturity, creativity, personality, ability to adjust, etc. Sometimes brilliant kids fail in college because they cannot accept the challenges of life in a dorm, or they cannot accept the indignity of not getting straight "A's" or learning they are not the center of attention and number one anymore. In short, they are not well rounded and mature. If sligh can do those things, he will be fine.</p>

<p>I was a relative mediocre student in high school. I served in the military and that "gap" gave me the motivation and maturity to meet the challenges in college. I graduated from college with Highest Honors.</p>

<p>Just curious -- are there any differences in admission standards/criteria for the UNC-hyphens versus the the others like East Carolina, etc.?</p>

<p>Thank you, seafoodlover for the thoughtful and explanatory reply. I agree with all of your post except this one excerpt:</p>

<p>"Sometimes brilliant kids fail in college because they cannot accept the challenges of life in a dorm, or they cannot accept the indignity of not getting straight "A's" or learning they are not the center of attention and number one anymore."</p>

<p>This is an assumption of myself, no? This may have been the impression I am giving off; however, I am not that type. I hate the fact I am the "big fish in the pond." I want out; I am not naturally the type of person that wants all the attention on myself; I simply hate it. That is why I want to go to such a university like Duke. I want to be surrounded by other intellectuals with whom I may converse with. That is also why I enjoy college confidential, even though some of the users are far too focused on examination rather than actual learning for learning's sake. </p>

<p>Thank you for your insight on my situation, however. I am hoping to the skies that I can get that SAT up to 2200 so that I may be even considered for admission into Duke.</p>

<p>Well....its just friendly advice. There is nothing wrong with a good college try. The bottom line is not to get too wedded to one school with an admissions process that is anything but predictable. Submit your applications regardless of your SAT scores next year and just do your best. In the end, you will go to the best school that is right for you. You will have plenty of offers to consider.</p>

<p>Kids with 1900's have gotten into Duke, and many have been very successful there. I am just telling you its not a slam dunk even if you are valedictorian.</p>

<p>Trust me, even at second tier schools you will be amazed at how many smart kids are out there. Elon had 24 valedictorians admitted and attending last year alone. They are there because it was the right school for them.</p>

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<p>Dudedad:</p>

<p>The standards of admission vary at every college in the United States. There is not a one size fits all standard. Each college has differing needs and those needs vary from year to year. Some may need more business majors, some may need more history majors etc. In general, the standards of admission at the hyphenated schools is roughly on par, with the singular exception of Chapel Hill. Ditto for NCState which is slightly harder to get admission than say UNCW. East Carolina has a wonderful medical school and it attracts lots of biology and chemistry majors because of that. </p>

<p>To a large extent its supply and demand. Though Wake Forest consistently has about 7-8,000 applications every year and is pretty stable at around 45% admit rate, I think. But those applicants are all high achievers. They dont see that many applications from average to below average students.</p>

<p>Its not a democratic process by any stretch of the imagination and weird things happen every year both in terms of who is deferred and rejected and who gets in. It just is what it is.</p>

<p>Just for clarification - East Carolina Univ is part of the UNC multi-campus system - one of 16 UNC schools - and yes there are differences in admission standards/criteria thru out the UNC system - especially for OOS'ers</p>