<p>History has nothing to do with the future...by that I mean, yes, something may have been historically a certain way, but that does not mean that is the way it is now, or need be in the future. Anything else is an excuse to allow segregation to fester under the guise of some PC rhetoric. </p>
<p>It is very well understood that schools like Howard are black universities...name a school that is white and encourages whites...not a one...if there was their gates would be closed and the administration would never work in education again.</p>
<p>These HCBU's are allowed as a way of saying, gee, we're sorry...and that is not going to help us, only hinder.</p>
<p>The simple, bottom line is: We need to get rid of any kind of distinction about color or gender...we shouldn't hear things like, the first black this, or only female ever that...once we can move past this...we can truly say that racism is a thing of the past...and yes, there is severe reverse racism in the US.</p>
<p>I guess I am the naive one to expect people see this.</p>
<p>The first point that has to be stated is that HBCUs excluding Howard, Spelman, and Morehouse have lower SAT and gpa requirements. These requirements allow many black students who didn't have the opportunity to attend an HWCU to go to college and get a degree. So, to pose a question, how do HBCUs hinder blacks. Also, "racism is a thing of the past"? Try again. But that's another post at another time. The intent of this thread was for HBCU alums, students, or prospectives to speak on the factors that swayed there decision to attend an HBCU. Until you have visited an HBCU or sat in a class at an HBCU, your argument is unfounded and fallacious. I agree with you that color lines should be erased, however to bash and condemn institutions that are offering a helping hand to blacks of our generation is simple ignorance.</p>
<p>"The first point that has to be stated is that HBCUs excluding Howard, Spelman, and Morehouse have lower SAT and gpa requirements. "</p>
<p>"Lower SAT and goa requirements" than what? Certainly, they have lower SAT and gpa requirements than HPYS. However, there are many mainstream universities that have similar SAT/gpa requirements as HBCUs. Just because schools are predominantly white doesn't mean that their students' average SAT scores are sky high. </p>
<p>There are no HBCUs that are ranked all by themselves in bottom ranks. While some HBCUs are ranked 3rd tier, they have plenty of company from mainstream schools. It is racist to assume that because a school is black it has worse average SAT scores than do all mainstream universities. </p>
<p>"These HCBU's are allowed as a way of saying, gee, we're sorry...and that is not going to help us, only hinder."</p>
<p>Do you feel the same way about, for instance, universities founded for adherents of certan religions like Notre Dame, Brigham Young or Brandeis? </p>
<p>Meanwhile, why the emphasis on shutting down HBCUs while presumably allowing historically white universities to continue? Neither HBCUs nor historically white universities can receive federal funds if they decide to be segregated. Thus, students of any race can go to HBCUs and to virtually all historically white universities.</p>
<p>Northstarmom...my comment (on the previous pg.) was not intended to be racist, I was just saying that with the exception of the BEST HBCU's like Howard, Spelman, and Morehouse, many HBCU's have * unusually * low SAT/GPA requirements compared to HWCU's of the SAME tier. I'm talking like composite SAT scores in the 500-700s, (which are far below the national average) and sub-2.5 GPAs. See the profiles of the typical HBCU on Collegeboard.com and xap.com This is not because the students at the school are stupider, it's because they have had less access to a quality public education and test prep materials. I AM NOT trying to put them down.</p>
<p>Rather than hindering blacks, HBCU's have provided a safe haven for study for minority students, who would have been either barred from admission at a mainstream school, or intimidated/harrassed at one. 100 years ago, they were essentially the only places that a black student seeking higher education could go.</p>
<p>"The simple, bottom line is: We need to get rid of any kind of distinction about color or gender...we shouldn't hear things like, the first black this, or only female ever that...once we can move past this...we can truly say that racism is a thing of the past...and yes, there is severe reverse racism in the US."</p>
<p>That's what people don't understand, these sorts of changes are those that will take time GRADUALLY, they can't just happen over night and trust me on this...America just isn't prepared right now. People can say what they want to say. I mean I've had friends at PWC and have white students tell them the only reason they were there was because they were black and they didn't meet the standard requirements and blah blah. What kind of students want to hear comments like that shoved in their faces? I'm not saying your wrong, but it's just going to take time for these sorts of changes to happen. So closing down HBCUs or rather getting rid of the whole "distinction of groups" wouldn't be a good idea, in my opinon.</p>
<p>^^Why should anyone excuse your ignorance if you sit up there and believe everything you hear? and the Average is around 1050-1100. I can't believe you had the nerve to pounce on here and say "I heard they speak ebonics." </p>
<p>That's like me accusing everyone at Harvard speaking perfect English, which I'm sure isn't true.</p>
<p>That was a joke of an entry. Do you have any idea how many great people are Howard alums. During President Clinton's term and even afterwards he frequented the campus. Howard is no joke, a joke of a college doesn't graduate 2 Rhodes scholars.</p>
<p>Wow, way to revive a dead thread; I dont know what you planed to do get out of doing so, but this is a public forum, and one can express his/her opinions, however misguided and silly said opinions may be </p>
<p>While I am knowledgeable of the great educations that the historically black universities provide, I think they are ridiculous institutions. Besides for being blatantly racist, they are a form of segregation, which as it is, is bad enough in today's society. NOt to mention it is a complete double standard in that if a "historically white" college was created, Al Sharpton and other morons would be staging protests.</p>
<p>Being a black student going to an ivy, i will tell you that I truly have a deep respect for the HBCU's in this country. While I was only interested in Howard, I couldn't help but be inspired by the number of blacks who are as intelligent and motivated as me at these universities. </p>
<p>HBCU's are great places for blacks because seeing all the successful professors and administrators is truly a wonder (especially for me coming from a background where there weren't to many role models outside my family). I understand anyone choosing an all-black institution over a more prestigious one because of the sense of culture and growth of self-pride it instills in you.</p>
<p>The reasons why blacks choose top 30 schools over HBCU is the same reason why anyone chooses high ranking schools over others: PRESTIGE, FACILITIES, RESOURCES, FACULTY and CONNECTIONS. The reason I chose Penn over Howard and UConn is because in my opinion it is better in those categories than both of the other schools. </p>
<p>Do not disrespect HBCU's (especially the Morehouses and Spelmans)because of stats. The enviroment is good enough alone to make any decision tough. I admire all those this year who are making the jump to an HBCU and let's continue to improve the image of black culture.</p>
<p>" NOt to mention it is a complete double standard in that if a "historically white" college was created, Al Sharpton and other morons would be staging protests."</p>
<p>What is nonsensical about your statement is that it implies that historically black institutions have been recently created. All were created during the times in which segregation in education was legal and indeed, in many parts of the country, was mandated by law.</p>
<p>Most mainstream colleges in this country that are at least 125 years old are historically white institutions. Many did not integrate until forced by law in 1965.</p>
<p>While places like Howard are historically black, students of any race who qualify for admission can go there as is the case of historically white institutions such as Princeton, University of Alabama and Davidson.</p>
<p>I agree and fully support HBCU. I am aware of some African -Am students who were a very small minority in a white suburban district or magnet HS and chose HBCUs because they wanted a different experience. Whites are welcome to apply at these schools and I am curious about those that do since they show intriging qualities.</p>
<p>Yes the stats are lower than IVys as are 99% of schools. They are typically in a decent range keeping in mind that some students attended poor quality High Schools and didn't have the benefits of private SAT tutors and the like. So accetance at Howard, say, allows them to gradually transition into higher education and get a fantasic degree. Many corportaions are trying to recruit more students from these schools.</p>
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Because, as we all no doubt know by now, every single, solitary white American goes to Exeter and has a 300$/hr SAT tutor, and every singe black American goes to a ghetto hood school with no teachers or books (but unfailingly tries to do the best with what he's given - there's no culture against learning there!) </sarcasm></p>
<p>Also, as we all know - the only reliable way to know what type of education/tutoring a person has received is to look at their skin color.
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To fill their affirmative action quotas and look PC, not because they are the best candidates.</p>
