Home Schooling in California May Soon Be Illegal

<p>For all those California Residents on this forum; my apologize. But it is rulings like this that give California such bad reputations. Apparently, it is believed that California may possibly no longer allow home schooling of children unless the parents are licensed and accredited teachers. Tell me the California Teacher's Union isn't involved with pushing this. </p>

<p>There has been enough home schooling in California to determine it's effectiveness. If the home schooled children are significantly scoring lower on SAT/ACT tests as well as their state required subject tests, then i can see fighting this subject. The kid's education is definitely what is most important. However; if the kids are doing well in their subject tests as well as their standardized national and state tests, then tell the courts and unions to shut the hell up and stay out of the parent's business.</p>

<p>I read the story and the ruling was made on a case where the homeschooled family may have been abusing the younger children over school work, and the judge wanted those children in put in public or private school. It is questionable if the judge meant for all home school parents to prove they were licensed or accredited, or if the judge just meant that for this family, the parents had to prove their children's teachers were licensed or accredidted. No one expects this to stick as a statewide mandate.</p>

<p>Were there consequences for the abuse? Schooling seems beside the point.</p>

<p>Any links to the story?</p>

<p>here you go
Homeschoolers</a>' setback sends shock waves through state</p>

<p>The core problem in California is that, other than the belief by some that homeschooling is constitutionally protected, and unlike the situation in every other state, there is no legal status for homeschooling and homeschoolers in California. Students are either enrolled in a private school (many homeschoolers simply register themselves as a private school), or through a public school independent extension program. The result is that no one even knows how many "homeschoolers" there are in California. I have spoken on homeschooling on multiple occasions in California and most homeschooling families have liked it that way, as since there are no "homeschoolers", there are no regulations governing them outside of those governing private schools.</p>

<p>The court decision does not just threaten "homeschoolers', but potentially scores of private schools, and public school extensions where students learn "off-site".</p>

<p>Phillips Exeter and Andover don't require their teachers be "certified" by the state.</p>

<p>"Phillips Exeter and Andover don't require their teachers be "certified" by the state."</p>

<p>No, but they do require a bachelor's degree, which I think is reasonable.</p>

<p>And there are MANY exceptions to that as well. And they require NONE of their teachers to have ever taken any courses in education.</p>

<p>A recent Fraser Institute study found that students homeschooled where the parents did not have a HIGH SCHOOL diploma performed better on standardized tests that schooled students where most teachers had M.A.s.</p>

<p>"Surprisingly, several studies have found that home
education may help eliminate the potential negative
effects of certain socio-economic factors.
Though children whose parents have university
degrees score higher on tests of academic achievement
than other home schooled children, home
education appears to mitigate the harmful effect of
low parental education levels. That is, public
schools seem to educate children of poorly educated
parents worse than do the poorly educated
parents themselves. One study found that students
taught at home by mothers who had never finished
high school scored a full 55 percentile points
higher than public school students from families
with comparable education levels."</p>

<p>Do most states have regulations on home schooling? My sister "home schooled" my nephew starting in what would have been his 2nd trip through 8th grade. That was essentially the end of his education. She has mental problems (that are now pretty well under control but weren't then) and didn't attempt to actually teach him anything. The result is a young man who can't even pass his GED. Shouldn't someone have been checking up on them? If there are rules, do they apply after a student is 16?</p>

<p>Every state is different. </p>

<p>" didn't attempt to actually teach him anything."</p>

<p>A common situation in public schools.</p>

<p>Christcorp, this is not some kind of radical ruling, it is based on a 1953 state law. Children must go to a full-time school or be tutored by a credentialed teacher. Accredited private schools should not be affected by this ruling.</p>

<p>I suspect that there will be some new legislation as a result of this ruling, but keep in mind that there have been many abuses both of homeschooling and of charter schools in California, so it's an area in which the state should be exercising some control. I have a friend who did a wonderful job of homeschooling her 3 children, but I also know a child whose parents used homeschooling as a way to avoid educating her at all (due to disorganization and lack of attention, not because of a deliberate desire to hurt the child). We expect our government to protect the interests of minors - and minors need to be educated.</p>

<p>Most states require the home schooled child to take and pass the same final tests that the traditional student takes. These are reviewed so as to make sure the student is prepared for the "Next" grade. Even home schooled.</p>

<p>Yes, the parent could allow 100% cheating on the test and the child doesn't learn anything. But this would definitely be the exception. Most home schooled students are done so because the parent wants their kid to have a BETTER education. Also, the vast majority does as well if not better on their SAT/ACT tests. This is what should be used for determining effectiveness. You don't change the law and standards because of a couple of butt head parents. You hold them accountable. I don't care if the parent was a high school drop out. If they can teach their kid and the kid is passing the state and national tests, then leave them alone.</p>

<p>California is backward...run by liberal, inexperienced state legislators and judges making rules from the bench.</p>

<p>Here's another CA gem for you:
Anti-war</a> judge rejects foster teen's bid to join military - LA Daily News</p>

<p>The only thing about the article that was misleading, was that somehow the kid was being discriminated because he was a foster child. That isn't true. If he had been a biological child, at 17 years old, his parents could still say no if they wanted to and he couldn't do anything about it. Not until he turns 18. </p>

<p>Being he is a foster child, the court is in fact his parent. I think that the judge is making decisions based on her personal ignorant and liberal opinion, but she is legal to do so. The kid will in fact be able to join the military once he turns 18. He can even have everything started ahead of time with the recruiter. Just nothing official until he is old enough to sign for himself.</p>

<p>However, if he wanted to push the issue, and get a lawyer that wanted to fight for him, he could go to another court to have that decision overturned. Even to the point of being granted emancipation. The court can make you a legal adult even if you are under 18. Oh well. Go figure.</p>

<p>This ruling is really bad. I intend to homeschool my younger kid after seeing the bad things in the CA public schools. Now I may have to go to community college to take some crappy teaching credential classes to meet the homeschool requirement. My friend took the credential classes but he does not want to become a full time teacher. He just wants to become a substitute teacher because this simple reason: substitute teachers don't have to teach and don't have to deal with the kids! That's is the motivation of many CA teachers. And many take this track: teaching credentials->teacher->MA from crappy National University->School administrator->Politician.</p>

<p>It's a well-known maxim that hard cases make bad law, and it's also true that bad law can get made in cases with people who don't know what they are doing. From a quick read of the case and some articles about it, I think it's clear that (a) California has a very unusual set of laws as far as homeschooling is concerned, in that there is no clear statutory basis for homeschooling there, and (b) no one competent in the case was paying attention to the needs of legitimate homeschoolers in California. The kids' advocates weren't even arguing that homeschooling is illegal in California, only that it was not so constitutionally protected as to prohibit a judge from ordering parents to send their kids to school in a case of strong evidence of abuse associated with the homeschooling. It was unclear to me that the parents were represented competently, if at all. The opinion was way broader than it needed to be to resolve the case, perhaps because the appellate panel did not trust the trial judge to do the right thing if they sent it back to him.</p>

<p>My guess is that this will get worked out with a flurry of attention from intervenors anxious to avoid any disruption to the weird structure for homeschooling kids in California, which seems to have resulted from a bizarre alliance of traditional unions (who don't want to legitimize homeschooling) and homeschoolers (who don't want the degree of regulation that almost every other state imposes on them).</p>

<p>All of that said, this case -- and the discussion here -- raises a really important issue that people who care about this ought to consider:</p>

<p>(1) Yes, it's true that people can do a great job homeschooling their kids, often a much better job than the local school district can do.</p>

<p>(2) But it's also true that many, many kids are at risk in their own homes from abusive, negligent, drug-addicted, or just plain crazy relatives and their significant others. </p>

<p>This issue plays out a lot with very young children, where most are "homeschooled" with relative care. Problems at institutional day cares make headlines, but day in and day out there is a stream of young children who are injured (or worse) by negligent or abusive care from relatives.</p>

<p>Are all kids at home at risk? Of course not! Are enough at risk to constitute a problem worth paying attention to? I think so.</p>

<p>Alternatively, using your template, one could argue that local school districts do an excellent job for many kids, and many other kids are at risk in their schools from boredom that comes with academics being dumbed down to teach the slowest in the class, bad teachers with tenure, undiagnosed learning disabilities, advancing failing students to the next grade, drug-addicted peers, and just plain crazy students with guns/bombs. </p>

<p>Are all kids at school at risk? Of course not! Are enough at risk to constitute a problem worth paying attention to? I think so.</p>

<p>Homeschooling is one way some people choose to pay attention to the problem.</p>

<p>To expand a little on my previous post:</p>

<p>This is not a case where the teachers' unions went after homeschooling, or where a bunch of liberal judges took it upon themselves to ban homeschooling. </p>

<p>This case arose because court-appointed advocates for two (out of six) children in a troubled family where the kids were already subject to family court jurisdiction asked a lower court to require that the two children be sent to regular school rather than be homeschooled, because they believed they had evidence of abuse and inadequate education in the home.</p>

<p>The trial court ruled -- clearly incorrectly -- that regardless of the evidence it had no authority to order the children to be sent to regular school because the parents had a constitutional right to homeschool their children. There is certainly a constitutional right to homeschool children for religious reasons, and possibly if push came to shove for nonreligious reasons, too. But that right is qualified by the state's right and obligation to protect children from abuse and to impose reasonable requirements on homeschooling that do not interfere with religion. </p>

<p>The children's advocates appealed that ruling. The parents were not represented in the appellate court, and appear to have been barely (and poorly) represented in the trial court. The adverse party in the appellate court was the state child protection agency, which was not trying to force the kids into regular school. It's completely unclear whether the agency did anything to inform the court about what the state's regulatory structure for homeschooling is, since that was more or less beside the point of the case. The advocates were not arguing that homeschooling was illegal, only that there was no definitive legal bar, constitutional or otherwise, to ordering that these kids be sent to regular school given evidence of abuse and inadequate education at home.</p>

<p>The court made an extremely broad ruling, with no consideration of any of the state's regulatory structure for homeschooling, probably because none of the parties in the case bothered to tell it anything about that structure, because the case was not about whether homeschooling was legal or not. My strong guess is that the court made a broad ruling because it was outraged at the trial judge's disregard of the evidence and didn't trust the judge to do the right thing if it simply sent the case back to him with instructions to consider the evidence. But as an appellate court, it couldn't rule on evidence that the trial judge hadn't considered. So instead it held that the children were required to go to school no matter what -- something just as overbroad and erroneous as the trial judge's ruling that they could never be required to go to school no matter what.</p>

<p>This could happen in California in the first place because, unlike everywhere else, there is no statutory authority for homeschooling in California. Instead, homeschooling has been governed by decades' worth of administrative rules and practices, based on tenuous statutory authority, but widely understood and tolerated. No statutory underpinning has been created because whenever anyone tries the pro- and anti-homeschooling forces battle each other to a standstill over just what the statutes should say. From a civics-class point of view, that is intolerable, but it's how the world works a lot of the time.</p>

<p>As the case shows, California's administrative agencies -- the child welfare agency and the education bureaucracy -- appear to be quite accommodating of homeschooling. Which is probably one of the reasons why the homeschooling community has not felt like it really needed legislative action. If anything good comes out of this case, maybe it will be to break the logjam over enacting some appropriate statutory authority.</p>

<p>I am certainly no homeschooling fan, but this is a manifestly dumb opinion, and its precedential value ought to be insignificant. EXCEPT for the actual, narrow ruling that lies beneath the court's flight of fantasy: whatever rights parents have to educate their children at home, they are not so absolute as to preclude abridging those rights if they are clearly being abused. Those of you who ARE homeschooling fans ought to agree with that, too. There is no reason to let a few really bad apples spoil a big barrel with some fine fruit in it.</p>

<p>EDIT: dntw8, I hope the above makes clear that I do not take the position that homeschooling is inherently bad. Of course children can be at risk in schools, too, and of course homeschooling is a way to pay attention to that. Provided the parents are willing to put a lot of energy and good faith into it. It's not a panacea.</p>

<p>Oh well, no more spelling bee, science, math, geography, etc. champions from California since most of them are home-schooled!</p>

<p>coolweather:
Even if there's to be a crackdown, although as JHS stated this will probably get worked out, at least in my district there's an option to essentially home school through the local district of the public school system. They provide the approved textbooks, testing, supervision that progress is being made, access to teachers for questions, etc. It wasn't that clear to me from the article if this would be affected since essentially the local district is still doing the teaching and teachers are accessible (maybe not the same thing as 'extension'). You might want to check into what's available in your area. Make sure you consider the 'social' aspects of homeschooling.</p>

<p>ucsd<em>ucla</em>dad: I will check. I may or may not consider homeschooling but the current state of the art of CA education makes me feel really bad. I went to public schools, always support and advocate more resources for public schools, but the current situation makes me run out of hope.</p>