<p>According to today's Washington Post article</p>
<p>"applications to Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore are up 13 percent over last year, with a projected pool of 18,150 students competing for 1,235 seats in the freshman class."</p>
<p>Indeed, there is a record amount of applicants this year! I read something like this on the Hopkins Insider.</p>
<p>Well may the deserving and God-willed be accepted! Have joy in hope!</p>
<p>No doubt that JHU is a great school, but the thought of spending four years in Baltimore? EEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!</p>
<p>^^^</p>
<p>Some may perhaps disagree with me here; many will think of me unwise-especially those who probably already attend college:</p>
<p>The location of a college/university is of course of great importance. However, I decide not to mull over such things, and anyhow, I am not very disagreeable with JHU being in Baltimore. It will help me to expand the borders of my vision of the world.</p>
<p>Rather, think of the stellar education, taught by amazing teachers! Of course, it is arguable that amazing teachers and stellar education are obtainable from other, “more convenient” places. Yet each college holds a unique education with unique policy and programming.</p>
<p>None can disagree that learning is a huge element necessary in life, and one is thus very fortunate to satisfy this essential at Johns Hopkins. Thus, jump to the chance to achieve the best education obtainable ! It will serve you well in life. I feel a zeal to fill my passions, can you too?</p>
<p>While I’m not going to disagree with the proposition that there are better locations for a university than Baltimore–I will argue that Baltimore is not a bad place to spend four years. It is a large enough city that it has the normal compliment of stuff to do (great museums, concerts, professional sports, tourist attractions), often at far less cost than other cities (for example, many Red Sox fans travel to Baltimore to watch the Red Sox in Camden Yards because good seats are so less costly than at Fenway Park). It has some very funky neighborhoods (Hamden, Mt Vernon, Federal Hill, Fells Point, Canton, etc), many great restaurants (much more affordable for students than NYC), wonderful markets (Lexington Market and smaller markets in many neighborhoods including Federal Hill and Fells Point, Waverly Market, etc.). Most (not all) Hopkins students grow to at least like, if not love, Baltimore by the time they graduate.</p>
<p>Yes, Baltimore has more than its fair share of problems–poverty, unemployment, drugs, crime, poor schools, etc. That does not necessarily make it a poor place to go to college; to the contrary, those problems present a lot of opportunities for students. For example, many undergraduates participate in tutoring city students–generally a very rewarding experience. The best medical schools tend to be in less than desirable neighborhoods. This enables medical students and residents to work directly with a lot of patients. Believe me, most people with private insurance do not want to be treated by medical students.</p>
<p>No one is going to compare Charles Village with Harvard Square–but for those who might not have the option, Charles Village is a pretty good place to reside and be next to one of the world’s great research universities.</p>
<p>I believe this 18150 includes the 1155 that applied ED. And with 493 already accepted that leaves about 742 spots left to compete for. 742/.196 (yield from last year) means about 3785 students should be accepted RD this year. 3785/16995= about a 22% acceptance rate RD this year?</p>
<p>Although Hopkins is a great school, its location/surrounding environment could somewhat improve.</p>
<p>For instance, for those who want to lead a career in business/finance, it’s obviously more advantageous to go to NYU, Columbia, or Wharton because location does matter in that case. Many employers simply won’t come to recruit in baltimore because it is baltimore (I know this sounds silly but this I’m quoting this from actual employers I’ve met in business and finance sector). </p>
<p>Of course, there’s nothing we can do about Baltimore’s location (unless we can make it grow wheels and go mobile). Therefore, it’s important that incoming students realize the shortcomings in this area and proactively go outside to look for more opportunities and utilize whatever resources here in the most efficient way.</p>
<p>@An0nmity: are you sure your yield # is correct…? i did analysis of 2008-09 and then used that to determine some 2009-10 presumptions (like assuming yield from 08-90 will hold for this cycle) here are my calculations:</p>
<p>2008-09
47.85% ed admit rate (502/1049) ([Hopkins</a> Insider: ED Wrap-up & Looking Forward](<a href=“http://hopkins.typepad.com/hopkins_insider/2008/12/ed-wrapup-looking-forward.html]Hopkins”>http://hopkins.typepad.com/hopkins_insider/2008/12/ed-wrapup-looking-forward.html))</p>
<p>26.78% overall admit rate (4318/16123, [Hopkins</a> Undergraduate Admissions :: Fast Facts](<a href=“http://www.jhu.edu/~admis/facts/facts.html]Hopkins”>http://www.jhu.edu/~admis/facts/facts.html))</p>
<p>rd pool = 16123(tot) – 712 (502 ed admits plus assumed 210 [20% of ed pool] ed rejections) = 15411 rd applicants</p>
<p>1350 enroll ([Enrollment</a> spikes at Homewood : The Gazette](<a href=“http://gazette.jhu.edu/2009/08/03/enrollment-spikes-at-homewood/]Enrollment”>Enrollment spikes at Homewood : Gazette Archives))
so 848/3816 = 22.22% rd yield (1350 - 502 ed acceptances = 848)
overall yield = 35.38% (1350/3816)</p>
<p>2009-10
projected rd pool = 18150(total pool) – 724 [493 ed admits + presumed 231 rej (20% of ed pool)] = 17426.</p>
<p>stated target class size is 1235, 493 already admitted, so 742 spots left.
now if we assume same rd yield from last year…742/.2222 = 3340 rd admits and 3833 total admits (when you include 493 ed acceptances).</p>
<p>19.17% (3340/17426) rd admit rate, 21.12% overall admit rate (3833/18150).</p>
<p>clearly not the anticipated 17-18%, so idk what they are thinking… are they expecting higher yield? or accept less, waitlist more and manage the waitlist? Given the 115 over-enrollment from last year, I presume they will be more cautious with the acceptances and anticipate waitlists use if necessary. </p>
<p>my prediction is a 18-20% initial overall admit rate (as in pre-waitlists, if necessary). in addition to extra caution to avoid over-enrollment, i anticipate an increase in yield as peer/competing institutions get more selective as well.</p>
<p>ahh, i seemed to have overlooked a small detail. the target class size of 2014 was stated as 1235, but no source was identified. </p>
<p>in the article ([Loyola</a>, UMBC, Hopkins enjoy jump in applications - baltimoresun.com](<a href=“http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/education/bal-md.applications17jan17,0,6668945.story]Loyola”>http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/education/bal-md.applications17jan17,0,6668945.story)) where director Latting stated a 17-18% overall admit rate for this year, he mentioned having fewer spots for many more applicants. i suppose it remains to be seen whether he meant a smaller-than-usual target class size (under 1235, the target for last year) or simply smaller class size than last year (as in there will be extra measures to make sure ~1235 enroll as opposed to 1350 like last year). </p>
<p>if jhu will target significantly under 1235 for 2014 then i can see how a 17-18% rate can be accomplished.</p>
<p>Interesting analysis.</p>
<p>Well the thing is the yield they use is to make a class of 1250. So 1350 shouldn’t be used to calculate the yield since the yield they were aiming for was 1250. Hence why I gave it a 19.6% yield. </p>
<p>My yield calculations: </p>
<p>Last year’s stats: 16193 applicants total - 1049 ED applicants= 15144 RD applicants. I forgot to add 200 or so for deferred ED students last time so that would make a total of about 15344.</p>
<p>4318 total accepted- 502 accepted ED= 3816 RD accepts for a total of 748. (Since they were aiming for 1250 and not 1350).</p>
<p>So the yield they were aiming for was 748/3816= 19.6% </p>
<p>However, as we say, the actual yield ended up being 848/3816= 22.2%</p>
<p>Using either one of the calculations, we either have 742/.196 or 742/.222 which either gives a RD acceptance of 3785 or 3342 respectively.</p>
<p>So RD acceptance should be somewhere between 19.4% to 22 %</p>
<p>EDIT: I’m fairly certain more than 20% of the ED is rejected since AdmissionsDaniel says that more are rejected than deferred.</p>
<p>I can’t seem to edit my last post but I just wanted to note that they were aiming for last year’s class to be 1250, and are aiming for 1235 this year.</p>
<p>no, they were aiming for 1235. im pretty sure they used to aim for 1200 and then only recently (2 cycles ago) decided to ramp it up to 1235. i remember reading it in one of the university-wide newspapers. also, the one i linked above regarding over-enrollment states target class size is 1235. “Specifically, the class shot up to 1,350—115 students past the target mark of 1,235. (Last year’s entering class had 1,238 students.)”</p>
<p>and imo it doesn’t matter what yield they thought they’d get when they over-admitted… the only thing that is important is what the *actual *yield was… so using 19.6 makes no sense to me. honestly, if they over-enrolled by 115 last year using that yield number, why would they use it again this year?</p>
<p>lol i wasn’t sure how many get defered so i kind of made that up. i don’t know anyone who applied ED and was rejected so i assumed there were more deferred applicants than rejected ones.</p>
<p>Oh I guess I misread the class size then, so that means they’ll most likely lower the entering class size which means the Washington Post reported the class size wrong.</p>
<p>About Baltimore being an awful city…it really is the same as other cities, except NY( which has a great subway system and world class everything), because, on an average college student’s budget, you’re not going to need anything more than B’more has to offer. And I would say that for a college student, likely with no car, and the aforementioned limited entertainment budget, B’more compares favorably with Chicago, which is too spread out. Philly is just as scary crime wise. Boston is …ehh…but I can say that Hahvahd square is really no use if you’re not superrich ( to show off ) but they do have more colleges, and thus more diversity of students in close proximity.</p>
<p>The Hop has a superb ( ok, maybe not the Met or MOMA ) art museum right on campus. B’more is small enough that students can get involved with the city TV and radio stations, newspapers, sports. It feels like home. And don’t forget, as the Hopkins student knows well, the primary goal of college is to study, not party.</p>
<p>And <em>idk</em>'s figures look about right, I didn’t crunch the numbers, but it’s in keeping with the gradually improving selectivity and profile of JHU.</p>
<p>I find it kind of amusing that you are trying to determine what the admit rate will be, what the predictive yield rates will be, etc. – when in our office we have yet to make such conclusions. We discuss these topics throughout the first read process and don’t finalize such decisions until the Admissions Committee begins meeting in earnest in March. There are also a lot more variables that go into this beyond just the desired size of a class, number of applicants, and historical data. For instance, the size of the financial budget and how that compares to previous years is important. The quality of applicants also matter – and well that can’t be determined until all the files have been reviewed.</p>
<p>AdmissionsDaniel, yes , it’s amazing how seriously this is all taken now by students and parents alike…back in '75, my guidance counselor told me not to study for the SAT, and I took her at her word ! Still got in , though…oh and can you give us a hint as to whether there are any financial considerations this year, and how that impacts admissions? ( my daughter is class of '11, so this is just out of curiosity).</p>
<p>GoBlueJays</p>
<p>I posted the most up-to-date fin. aid info we know about here:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063982336-post249.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063982336-post249.html</a></p>
<p>To be honest we won’t know how finanical aid will impact our final decisions (and if it will at all) until late March when we are finalizing decisions and see how much the admitted class “will cost.” The one thing I know for sure is we will have more money to spend this year than last year – just don’t know the total.</p>
<p>lol we were just taking some guesses, AdmissionsDaniel. I dont claim to know much about the specifics of yield calculations and admissions rates… i was just crunching numbers that are available to the public and mixing in some ‘educated’ guesses…i **know **i’m probably going to be wrong because i dont have all the info you guys will use to make final decisions</p>
<p>for example it looks like our numbers for tot applicant pool would be wrong since we used the estimated 18150 whereas the actual number seems to be 18349. even those extra 200 applications throw off my calculations a little.</p>
<p>v. cool! good luck to all applicants.</p>