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<p>The data I posted are for the freshman admissions years. The 2008 data is for the most recent freshman class to enroll (fall 2008). I did notice that the application numbers on IPEDS for Dartmouth and Columbia were exactly the same in 2006 and 2007, which seems strange. </p>

<p>Using the preliminary 2009 numbers, here is the percent change over the most recent 5-year period 2004-2009. For Columbia, I substituted their 2008 number.</p>

<p>Cornell University 64%
Brown University 63%
Princeton University 60%
Dartmouth College 53%
Harvard University 48%
Yale University 46%
University of Pennsylvania 25%
Columbia University in the City of New York 23%</p>

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<p>IPEDS is off in my experience at times (example the Columbia/ Dartmouth issue). Hernandez and Ivy success do a great job of compiling the numbers and while the student newspapers and college press releases aren't 100% accurate (due to waitlist activity, etc), they are the best information at this time for 2009 by far. </p>

<p>Anyway its interesting to see how this stuff cycles. Cornell for example did very well in 2005-2007 but has lagged since then. On the other hand Yale, Brown, and Dartmouth have skyrocketed during this period.</p>

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Anyway its interesting to see how this stuff cycles.

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<p>I think a lot of it has had to do when each school has adopted the common application.</p>

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<p>The Ivies have clearly been beneficiaries of the demographic growth of graduating high schoolers and their increased propensity to apply to more colleges than ever. However, these effects are even more pronounced for several other top schools in the Top 20 that have come on the radar screens of more and more high achieving high schoolers. </p>

<p>Note: The numbers below include rough estimates for 2009. If someone has better data, please provide it. Thanks. </p>

<p>% Chg 2005-09 , 5-Yr Chg 2005-09 , Est. apps for Fall 09 , Apps for Fall 2005 , College</p>

<p>63.5% , 7403 , 19066 , 11663 , Vanderbilt
58.7% , 9529 , 25750 , 16221 , Northwestern
49.2% , 5140 , 15580 , 10440 , MIT
44.9% , 8130 , 26220 , 18090 , Duke
38.9% , 3710 , 13248 , 9538 , U Chicago
38.2% , 3012 , 10902 , 7890 , Rice
33.3% , 7439 , 29772 , 22333 , Stanford</p>

<p>32.0% , 6231 , 25682 , 19451 , Yale
31.7% , 5241 , 21751 , 16510 , Princeton
26.5% , 6050 , 28846 , 22796 , Harvard
26.3% , 3661 , 17599 , 13938 , Dartmouth
21.4% , 4021 , 22845 , 18824 , U Penn
20.3% , 5701 , 33799 , 28098 , Cornell</p>

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Also, Penn seems to have stagnated for some reason (financial crisis?).

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<p>That explains the stagnation for this year (my guess is College has had an increase commensurate with the other 7 Ivies, while Wharton has taken a major hit since its reason to exist--Wall Street--has imploded, coming out to an overall wash)</p>

<p>The other reason being the rotating door of Admissions Deans. After Stetson left, Penn spent last year under an interim dean and then this year had its first year of Eric Furda. That's having two first-year noobs in a row. Admissions Deans need time to sit in the job and stew in their own juices (a mix of pulped up old applications and vodka) to come up with diabolical plans for increasing applications.</p>

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<p>Hawkette your 2009 Dartmouth numbers are wrong. They should be 18,007.<br>
TheDartmouth.com</a> | Daily Debriefing</p>

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<p>Also I have very different numbers for the entering class of 2009 (2005 data).
Admission</a> Statistics - Hernandez College Consulting - Ivy league admission - Ivy league admissions - Ivy league consulting, consultants, consultant - college consulting - college consultants - college consultant</p>

<p>your numbers seem inaccurate...</p>

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<p>Redoing the numbers for the class of 2005 - 2009 for the Ivies, Here's an example: Dartmouth</p>

<p>%change, #change, Apps Dartmouth 2009, Apps Dartmouth 2005
43.2% , 5431 , 18007 , 12576</p>

<p>So you're showing 26.3% while I am showing 43.2%. I think you need to re-do your numbers or find better sources...also why did you leave out Brown?</p>

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<p>hawkette you are all over the place with those stats. Get your facts right, please</p>

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<p>slipper et al,
I'm working with an old spreadsheet that obviously was off by a year in its starting data and then the problem was made worse when I extrapolated using percentages. I'll try to clean it up if I can (finding all of the old data sets can be hard), but for now, I agree that we should ignore my prior post (# 24). Sorry.</p>

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<p>In 2007, the Ivies collectively attracted 20% more applicants per seat than the group of schools mentioned by Hawkette.</p>

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<p>Hahaha poor penn =)</p>

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<p>there is really no need to single hawkette out and beat her with a stick. she has acknowledged that there was an error in her previous post. </p>

<p>who here has never made a single mistake? let's move on to the discussion at hand.</p>

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<p>^ I've never been wrong, ever. Now excuse me while I cast the first stone!</p>