<p>You guys know that Jian Li didn’t actually directly sue P-ton. He merely filed a complaint with OCR. He is not a loser by any reasonable standard, nor did peer institutions consider him a generic Asian applicant (an ironically hypocritical stance in college admissions IMO). And contrary to popular belief, Asians are represented within each socioeconomic tier at rates nearly identical to Hispanics.</p>
<p>But yes, you are probably at a substantial disadvantage even compared to white applicants, high-income or not. Affirmative action is prominent (especially at Princeton, from what I hear) whether for the right reasons or not.</p>
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Do you jump from board to board each time you are defeated in an argument? And I myself am largely liberal; I can recognize, though, when a policy is so radical that it breaks standards that stand above all else (in this case, racial equality).</p>
<p>I disagree. I believe it is a HUGE advantage to be an affluent Asian in this process. Believe it or not, Ivies were once pretty much Aristocratic (look up Ivy Feeder high schools).</p>
I am more Caucasian than I am Asian, my last name is Anglo-Saxon, and I even share a fraction of Indigenous Australian blood. I have no personal stake in this (and even if I did, so what? Was Rosa Parks accused of whining because she was motivated by personal interests? Did she have an overbearing sense of entitlement just because she equal preference for bus seating placement?).</p>
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I don’t think the Ivies care about your income bracket much right now. It will likely be several years until the lower socioeconomic pool isn’t just need-blind but is distinctly advantaged. It probably occurs to a minor extent right now; just not as significantly much as it ideally would be. And Ivies, barring developmental admits, have surely all but lost the label of aristocratic. But no, being high-income is NOT an admissions disadvantage. I don’t think the Ivies will ever go so far as to distinguish between middle-class and upper-class for admissions decisions, barring aforementioned exceptions.</p>
<p>And yes, you can leave your ethnicity blank on your application. Not sure about your income bracket; I would assume you could leave it blank but I’m not positive.</p>
<p>Welcome to level 2 of the Asian whine thread - comparing rejected Asian apps at Pton to the civil rights movement. Next we’ll have the rejected Asian march on Washington and the construction of the rejected Asian memorial wall with the name of every Asian student who has been rejected by a college inscribed next to his or her SAT score. And of course, a sea of Asian parents on their knees weeping, " he didn’t get in! he didn’t get in!"</p>
<p>Being rejected from Princeton isn’t comparable to the civil rights movement. </p>
<p>I, for one, am a minority that was accepted at Princeton. I left the race blank on my application. I am fully Hispanic, but my last name is European due to legal problems with my great-great-great-great grandfather. </p>
<p>You do not see many URMs at top colleges. Blacks, Hispanics, and Native Americans are under-repesented at top schools, BL, BB, etc. You do, however, see many Asians. The politically correct idea behind affirmative action is that if two equally competitive applicants apply to a school, ALL OTHER THINGS EQUAL, the one who is an URM gets an extra point and is ergo admitted. Following that logic, there are URMs at Princeton whom are just as, if not more competitive than some Asians at Princeton, race notwithstanding. Many who apply do reach that threshold. I have mixed feelings about AA, and opted not to use it to my advantage. </p>
<p>Get real problems! Princeton has a 9% acceptance rate! 91% of EVERYBODY who applies is rejected. I know URMS with 2250s that have been rejected from Princeton. Get over it. It’s OK for the OP to feel wronged; but he is immature and distasteful about it. Princeton has Asians. They do not all have 2400s. There is more to the process.</p>
<p>There is also more to life than getting into HYPS. I’m at NYU :-D</p>
<p>Do you know any basic statistics? Asians have a statistically significant higher SAT score than any other ethnic group and are admitted at a statistically significant lower rate than any other ethnic group. You think that this is not a legitimate cause for suspicion of discrimination? Why is that?</p>
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<p>Oh yes, whining about threads in which Asians state that they feel discriminated against is much better. Good for you for being the real man about it.</p>
<p>speedo - you are expressing yourself at bit coarsely, but I think you are on the mark when discussing admissions at Princeton. It is so competitive that people who are admitted there are qualified (a relativistic term, I’ll admit) in any sense. </p>
<p>But the Asian discrimination problem is both real and wrong at, let’s say, UCLA and Cal Berkeley. Given the treatment of Asians in this country, and particularly in California, I can’t agree in that context that their complaints are whining. And I think it is absolutely shameful that the University of California discriminates against Asians in favor of other racial groups. This does not reflect in any way the promise that the civil rights era offered. And while generalizations in and of themselves may not be probative, this is a problem that must be taken the to left side of the political spectrum, for they are the ones implementing and supporting these discriminatory policies in California.</p>
<p>We have a young person here cc who is contemplating lying about his ethnicity because he has heard that Pton discriminates against Asians. It has become such a common complaint, pretty much an accepted truth here on cc (and an effective way to generate traffic for the site) yet there is no proven case of any discrimination at Pton. These kinds of rumors disparage a fine university and may impact the decisions of fine Asian students to apply there. Mis-information needs to be challenged and the posters who spread these rumors need to be seen for who they are, losers, resentful over rejection. There is absolute no reason why a qualified Asian student should feel uneasy about applying to Pton. He or she will have the same small chance as most other applicants.</p>
<p>You’re saying that Asians are given an advantage at the UC’s? Seriously? UCSD does their entire admissions process by assigning scores holistically and no where in there does being Asian garner you extra points. UCLA and Berkeley are just letting in whoever has the best combination of scores, GPA, extracurricular activities, and background. Why the hell would they favor an overrepresented minority? I really hope you’re not as completely hollow headed as you sound.</p>
<p>These schools have a large percentage of Asians. UCLA is 40% Asian! Asians are the largest represented race at UCLA. Cacausian comes close at 35%. URMS are NOT taking Asians spots at these top schools. </p>
<p>100% of those at UCSD are in the top 10% of their class. I fail to see how Asians are disadvantaged.</p>
If anything, these numbers CORROBORATE the existence of racial affirmative action at top private schools. UCLA is one of the few top schools that is prohibited from practicing racial affirmative action, and their Asian population percentage is more than double the percentages at top privates that practice racial AA.</p>
Obviously they are far from the same level of severity. In that sense, they aren’t comparable. But racial affirmative action and racial segregation are both based off the same premise: that races should not be treated equally. It’s just harder to see with racial affirmative action because its purpose is often distorted and unclear.</p>
<p>That contradicts what you were just saying. Do you recommend that every top school be populated by more than 50, 60, 70% Asian? I do believe the goal of racial diversity and representation is a legitimate governmental {and private} goal. I do think that the entire AA thing has become completely overblown and that universities should reexplain their policies to the public. I know an Asian that was accepted to Cornell with a 2050 SAT. I know a black girl rejected from C with a 2100. I am not suggesting that there are not hints of bigotry in the process, {I did not take advantage of AA myself} but I do think your implications are stupid. USC is a top private – 30% Asian. Columbia, 20%. Even schools such at Dartmouth, where the Asian population is only 15%, more than half the class is white. I know quite a few Hispanics/blacks that just use the system to their advantage, and actually have very little URM in them. </p>
<p>It is offensive for you to think that every Asian that applies deserves a spot at top colleges. Do you realize how very few URM are have the grades/scores/ECs to get into these universities? Not many. The fact that some top schools have as much as 15% URM isn’t a cause for alarm, where the Asian representation exceeds 20, 30, 40% at many, many, others. MOST schools are mostly white and Asian. Low-tier schools are mostly black and Hispanic. Are you saying that’s where they all belong? </p>
<p>Because if that’s not what you’re saying, I simply don’t get it.</p>
And I myself am largely liberal; I can recognize, though, when a policy is so radical that it breaks standards that stand above all else (in this case, racial equality).</p>