How can I get into a top medical school?

<p>Long story short, I messed up in high school and although I would have liked to go somewhere better, I will be attending Ohio State University this fall. I was accepted to and am participating in the honors program there, and my major will be in Neuroscience while completing all of the pre-med requirements.</p>

<p>So my question is-- exactly what do I need to do to ensure that I get into a great medical school? What can I do to increase my chances of being admitted into one of the top ones (if it's possible)?</p>

<p>Obviously, maintaining a high GPA and doing well on the MCATs is a big part of medical school admissions, but outside of the classroom, what can I do to build a great resume for when the time to apply comes? Year-by-year suggestions would be awesome (yay for planning ahead)!</p>

<p>I know it might seem early, since I'm only entering freshman year this fall, but I didn't take advantage of my time in high school and regret it. So, I'm aiming to do all that I can to not make the same mistake twice. Any help is appreciated. Thank you! :)</p>

<p>Tell me a little more about why you specified “top medical school.” And “because it’s the best” is not a sufficient answer.</p>

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<li>I want to redeem myself for what I messed up in high school; I want to be able to do something difficult to make myself proud, so that I can look back later in life to be able to see how much my hard work paid off in the end, and to be able to grow old knowing that I accomplished something that I can respect and be satisfied with.</li>
<li>Of course, top medical schools have better research, and are more actively involved in the pressing issues of current medicine… I want to have easier access to resources and to be able to feel more involved, to be able to see, the rapidly changing field. There are a lot more opportunities.</li>
<li>Better residency and later job placement. I’m pretty sure a graduate of Johns Hopkins Medical School would much more easily receive a solid job than a graduate of somewhere like the University of Buffalo… Not saying that it’s a “bad” school, but just that some are “better” in terms of securing employment later on.</li>
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<p>I’m doing it for myself, not for anyone else, I just don’t think I would be satisfied if I don’t try as hard as I possibly can. Even if I can’t get into a top medical school, I would be okay with getting into the best one that I can get into. I don’t want to look back and be like, “Oh you could’ve done this, but you didn’t work hard enough.” Why are you asking, anyway? We all have personal reasons why. You could ask anyone that question and you’d get very different answers; just because one person might be happy and satisfied at a decent med school doesn’t mean someone else would be, too.</p>

<h1>3 is a fallacy. According of survey of residency directors, the med school you attended ranks way down on the list of importance.</h1>

<p>The most important things residency are
1) Step 1 scores
2) LORs from your specialty supervisors
3) personal statement
4) grades in MS3-4 clerkships
5) Step 2 scores
6) grades in specialty clerkship</p>

<p>What med school you attended was #20 on the list</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.nrmp.org/data/programresultsbyspecialty2012.pdf[/url]”>http://www.nrmp.org/data/programresultsbyspecialty2012.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Offers of employment are more closely related to your residency and fellowships expereiences than the med school you graduate from.</p>

<p>Well it was low on my list of reasons as well.
I came for advice, not for criticism on my personal motivations.</p>

<p>I thought it was common sense-- why would anyone prefer to go to an average med school when they have the option to attend a top-tier one?</p>

<p>Well, there are a few reasons I was asking. </p>

<p>1) I was wondering if you had a good understanding of medical school admissions and ranking. Many young students assume that there are “tiers” of med school in the same way there are “tiers” of undergrad schools. However, that’s essentially not the case. The reason is that there are only 130ish med schools in the country, and each of them is de facto required to teach similar material because graduates from all schools must pass the same licensing tests in order to practice medicine. Nation-wide, pass rates for boards are quite high, which implies that all medical schools do a good job preparing students to practice medicine. While there are certainly elite schools that do impressive research and offer brand new facilities, concluding that these things make them “better” than another school is not necessarily accurate. One of the reasons for this is that there’s a lot more to a med school than its name, and the things you value in a school might not be the same as the things someone else values in a school. </p>

<p>2) I was wondering if any common misconceptions were guiding your decision to, at first glance, limit yourself to considering elite programs. You did mention one common misconception–that better med school = better residency = better job. This is slightly similar to the misconception that better undergrad = better med school. The name of your program means very little to the med school or residency where you eventually match. As far as residencies go, things that are considerably more important than the name of your school include your boards scores, your third year clerkship grades, evaluations from your clinical preceptors, research you’ve done, leadership positions you’ve held, and (probably) whether you are a part of AOA. Additionally, it’s unlikely a high school student can accurately interpret match lists, so if you’re personally the one concluding that Med School A is better than Med School B because its match list looks more impressive, you could be mistaken.</p>

<p>I’m not trying to be sassy or discouraging, just wanted to point out that if your goal is “just” to get into any medical school, that is still an admirable goal. You wouldn’t be “settling” if you chose your state’s school (for example) in the same way you might be “settling” if you chose a no-name school for undergrad.</p>

<p>But, generally speaking, in order to get into an elite program, you have to have a considerable hook. When I interviewed at some elite programs a few years ago, I met students who: a) graduated from Julliard, composed for Broadway, designed and open a new clinic, and started an after-school program that got adopted by the state, b) graduated from his state school, pitched for an MLB team, published two basic sciences research papers, and was part of the Peace Corps, c) triple majored at an LAC, did Teach For America, consulted for a health policy agency, and presented research to the WHO. (Why was I among them? Sometimes I wonder. I started a nonprofit organization that received some national attention from the sector it works in, was recognized for various awards and scholarships as an undergrad, and had a wide variety of experiences.)</p>

<p>It’s hard to make a timeline for getting into an elite school (or any med school for that matter) because it’s so individual to each person. What you need to do is figure out what you’re passionate about and how you can cultivate those passions at OH State. You need to develop an impressive array of meaningful experiences (research, clinical, shadowing, service, employment, etc) that you can communicate effectively about. You need to take risks, find leadership roles, get involved with various research labs and clinics, etc. </p>

<p>You need to do all of this while maintaining a very high GPA (>3.7) taking difficult classes. You need to get a high MCAT score. </p>

<p>You need to develop relationships with mentors, professors, and leaders in various fields who will go to bat for you and attest to your dedication to and preparation for a career in medicine. </p>

<p>You need to be an excellent communicator, both written and verbal.</p>

<p>You need to apply early and intelligently to a wide array of schools. You need to write convincing secondaries. You need to knock the socks off your interviewers. You need to be charming, courteous, polite, and engaging.</p>

<p>I’d say you have a decent shot at acceptance to a top program if you can fulfill each of the things I mentioned.</p>

<p>Edited to add: But what you really need, more than anything, in my opinion, is a healthy dose of luck and serendipity.</p>

<p>(For what it’s worth: I’m currently a second year med student at my state’s med school, and I also interviewed at 3 elite programs in 2010.)</p>

<p>Just get a good gpa and mcat, and some decent ecs, leadership, community service, research. Shouldnt be too hard right?
There are a few people that went to THE Ohio State University in my class. You’ll be fine. work hard and have fun</p>

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<p>Believe me, getting into any medical school is difficult and something of which to be proud. I’m sure the stats are different now, but last I remember, there were something like 52,000+ applicants for ~24,000 M1 positions. And these are generally very good students who are even applying in the first place. </p>

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<p>You hit upon the main issue right here, and it’s not “better” research, it’s just “more” research - the “top” medical schools (meaning those ranked highly by US News or whatever other useless rankings there are) are ranked that way because these ranking systems are heavily weighted for NIH research funding.
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<p>This is not true. I would wager that most med schools have excellent “opportunities” outside the classroom. Just depends on what you want. Personally, research (especially basic science research) bores me to tears. Every academic medical center should be on top of the “rapidly changing field” as you put it.</p>

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<p>Also untrue. While the school you went to might factor in a little bit, it is way down on the list of important things for residency selection (which has been proven by surveys of residency program directors). What is more important is your standardized testing scores (USMLE Step 1 and 2CK), clinical grades, and letters of rec. As for job placement, I guarantee almost no jobs will give two craps where you went to medical school. If you want a job at a hyper-academic medical center, then your residency would count for way more than what med school you went to. Otherwise, all they will care about is “are you board eligible/certified?”.</p>

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<p>True, but I would say that the latter person is being unreasonable, for the reasons I pointed out above. If you do well on your USMLEs and clinical courses, there are no doors closed to you in terms of residency and jobs.</p>

<p>Thank you Kristin, for the advice. Sorry, it’s pretty hard to judge someone’s tone through text alone.</p>

<p>I love the idea that college is a place where I can really get a new, fresh start. I’m going to aim high, work hard, and hope for the best. I know I’m a couple of years late, but… Congrats on getting into medical school! As you said, that alone is extremely respectable, and I hope to one day be able to accomplish it for myself.</p>

<p>Thank you again, I’ll keep all of those points in mind for the upcoming years :)</p>

<p>@Icarus: I truly don’t think that I’m being unreasonable by wanting to do the best that I can… If it doesn’t get me to a top med school, I won’t be unhappy or unsatisfied with myself, just a little less so than if I had.</p>

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<p>And the advice you’re getting is “it doesn’t matter nearly as much as you think it does”.</p>

<p>You wanted advice on how to get into a medical school that is more selective than other medical schools (which, as pointed out before, is saying something), I don’t know what you’re looking for. “Do extremely well GPA-wise and on your MCAT, have kick-@ss ECs, and cure cancer” is pretty much all I got, but you should be shooting for all of these things anyway (maybe except the cancer part ;))</p>

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<p>Didn’t say that would be unreasonable - said it would be unreasonable to be unhappy at not-a-top-med-school when the alternative is not being in med school at all.</p>

<p>Thanks! It’s been quite a ride :slight_smile: Good luck to you!</p>

<p>You’re fine. I just got in yesterday with a 3.4 uw and a 31 ACT.</p>

<p>Imperio, trust us when we tell you that you’re worried about the wrong things at this point.</p>

<p>All US MD med schools are very good. Getting into ANY of them is a huge feat. Graduating from any of them gives you an MD degree. Doing well at any of them will likely get you into your residency. </p>

<p>Right now, you’re a senior in high school. Right now, you have absolutely no idea of how you’ll do on the pre-med pre-reqs or in the rest of your classes. You also don’t know how you’ll do on your MCAT. </p>

<p>All you can do now is do the best you can and hope that it will get you into at least one MD school…no matter what its ranking is. </p>

<p>Do not try to compare SOM names with undergrad names.</p>

<p>maybe you can look up the people who got into the schools you’re thinking of on MDapplicants to get a sense of what they did but honestly the best advice anyone can give you is to be exceptional (in other words not really any meaningful advice).</p>

<p>All American Med. Schools are great, including Ohio State, where my kid was accepted and considered as one of her choices, bu choose to go somewhere else. It does not mean at all that she had anything negative about this Med. School. Opposite, she considered it while withdrew from some much higher ranked Med. Schools. At the end, if you have choices, the question to ask is where you personally see yourself fit the best. Ohio State was regarded as well as couple top 20 schools by my D, she just needed to choose one and she happened to choose a different Med. School, while at least one of her pre-med friends has chosen Ohio State. I also believe that Ohio State is a great UG school. Best wishes!</p>