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<p>Perhaps the tone of some of those posts was less than ideal. But isn’t that one of Unz’s arguments: “Too many” Jews in relation to their population. I see this argument on here all the time for Asians. “They should just be satisfied that their representation at Harvard is far and above the general population.”</p>
<p>Again, I don’t see how saying “Too many Jews” is anti-Semitic. Maybe I don’t know what anti-Semitic means.</p>
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<p>If the argument is that there is a secret quota, why then would an increase in Asian enrollment follow the closing of the investigation?</p>
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<p>I didn’t see the original reference, but I would think that writing something like this in an essay to an elite school would be an instant kiss of death: it would imply that you are working at or beyond maximum capacity in the relatively-unchallenging high school world and would this have real trouble becoming a valued contributor to the college scene.</p>
<p>"but he worries that she is not smart enough for him "</p>
<p>There was a House episode where a genius drops out of faculty and goes dumb (don’t remember how it happens) and says he is happy with the GF or wife who is beneath him because he is not brainy anymore. </p>
<p>Gotta wonder what goes on in those brainy heads.</p>
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<p>I think you know the answer. Because they want all kinds of kids within the parameters of GPA, scores, etc of kids who can be expected to do the work. Obviously the 1850 has something besides test taking skill that the college want. Special ability in something, racial or geographic diversity, a sparkling personality…who knows? But something.</p>
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<p>If the government’s action indicated they werent going to do anything about it, then it is open season for the social engineers. </p>
<p>Check chart 2 in the article and see if your eyebrows remain level. </p>
<p>Ubi non accusator ibi non iudex.</p>
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<p>Yes and as soon as people stipulate that is what is going on we can discuss what that ‘something’ is and how corrupt it might be to set a quota for that ineffable “Something”. Except it is totally effable. And out of control of the applicant which I why I find the metric invalid.</p>
<p>Argbargy, I have stipulated to “what is going on.”</p>
<p>things that are “out of control of the applicant” or accidents of birth:</p>
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<li> Race</li>
<li> Athletic Prowess</li>
<li> Neighborhood (region of country)</li>
<li> Rigor of schools</li>
<li> Parental willingness to pay and drive to high level ECs</li>
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<p>There’s more to life, and more to excellence, dude, than a 2400 SAT, valedictory, and uw 4.0 GPA.</p>
<p>Don’t argue with that guy whose name is a take-off on slang for arguing- he is trolling here.
Holy crap, we have Asians on our team.
Btw, I passed a billboard today that informed me I will meet God when I die. So, how do they know? And how do folks know about quotas and conspiracies?</p>
<p>AND: how do you know how many Asians are admitted? You only know how many are in a freshman class.</p>
<p>Statistics and inference, dude. Statistics and inference.</p>
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<p>Then why did they use this “open season” to enroll more Asians than ever if your point is that they try to limit that enrollment?</p>
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<p>I’ll stipulate that what is going on is that colleges put together classes of kids who are smart, interesting, talented, involved, unique, bright, dedicated, joiners, athletic, musical, creative, rich, poor, Asian, black, white, Hispanic, math geniuses, sculptors, painters, readers, writers, satirists, researchers, jugglers, hard workers, leaders, political, religious…not all in one kid of course, but as a whole class. Kids who want to attend schools with far more applicants than places have to hope their own particular skill set is unique and stands out enough to get them noticed and wanted more than the 25K kids competing for those few spots. </p>
<p>Of course you are free to find that metric invalid, corrupt, or not really a metric at all. It makes sense to me that colleges want more than 2400s and 4.0s, and I am fine with it </p>
<p>(My kids are non-Jewish white, my brother is Asian. S didn’t get in everywhere he applied but he dd to most and he’s very happy. D is in HS still and will face the fact that she’s competing at what I think you would call a disadvantage - white non Jewish and female. My brother went to his first choice college and is a very successful adult now. He didn’t apply to any Ivies.)</p>
<p>“how do you know how many Asians are admitted?”</p>
<p>BECAUSE THEY PUBLISH THOSE NUMBERS TOO?</p>
<p>At least at Harvard, the yield for Asians is north of 93%.</p>
<p>Hope you know I did not mean you, Phil. We all like you. Hey, I’ll dot you.</p>
<p>T- can you point me to that?
Remember the fuss about USAMO and MIT? How many Asians do you want admitted? Should it be a given? And, who will you bump? Not to mention: why?</p>
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<p>In areas that have public magnet schools, #7 isn’t always out of the control of the applicant.</p>
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<p>Argbargy? Why dismiss him like that? He has articulated some good points that others have not been able to refute.</p>
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<p>What does this mean? Sounds so petty.</p>
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<p>I must have missed those. What were they?</p>
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<p>I dont think you read the article. That is not what happened. Alls the HYPs mysteriously ended up with the same asian admit rate. </p>
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<p>Yes this is a huge problem of people with the most native intellect going to the most rigorous universities. And #4 Race is the point under discussion so you cant include it in the list. </p>
<p>Check what Princeton claims to be using as a criterion. Under Very Important: Academic
Rigor of secondary school record, Class rank, Academic GPA, Standardized test scores,
Application Essay, Recommendation(s), Talent/ability, Character/personal qualities. </p>
<p>Notice how that is not your list. EC’s are only under Important. State Residency is under not considered. Most of the Very Important are not impeded by SES. Most large public HS have AP’s these days.</p>
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Alliance 1 said *Unfortunately the selection group that reviews the essays does not have many Asians who can interpret the essesence of the essay that an Asian writes *</p>
<p>I answered, yes, we can.</p>
<p>Oh, btw, Asians do not get a special essay interpretation category.</p>
<p>Btw, in case it is a big mystery: the individual colleges don’t come up with the CDS selection criteria categories- they simply respond to them.</p>
<p>And, if one could get past Unz and dig, “state residency” refers to are you in-state. No, that does not matter to the elites.</p>
<p>Get past Unz.</p>
<p>The issue this all comes down to, imo, is critical thinking, the ability to get past the notion that Ron Unz is an authority.</p>
<p>Actually, I CAN include race and intellect in the list of things that are out of control of the applicant. Race is one factor which is out of the control of the applicant. Also, most applicants to the schools you are talking about will have to do something far beyond what will be offered to them as an EC on school grounds. To excel at any athletic pursuit to the point of recruitment requires extra coaching. Even simple kumon will require parental cooperation. Add in test prep and you can see that the list, and this list is just intensely minimal, can get very long indeed, and very little tends to be “in control” of the applicant, including the basic fact that no school in the United States where we value diversity is going to prefer a campus made up of one kind of person. None.</p>