<p>Ah. Yeah, these services tend to look at the matriculations a lot.</p>
<p>Well I mean lots of people do. You say you’re amongst the best schools in america, first questions I ask is Matriculation and Alumni. I don’t think they have the time to go in depth and go visit all these schools to get a feeling for them.</p>
<p>Well Hotchkiss alumni have the most billionaires or something… And yeah, you’re right. They use data…</p>
<p>Yeah, matriculation rates can be deceiving though. For instance every single person that got into Harvard this year opted to go to other universities such as UNC for the morehead scholarship or Georgetown for political junkies. At hotchkiss people really are not crazy about the HYPSM and try to look for schools that fit their interest more. Many opt to go to liberal arts schools such as williams despite getting into harvard. I think acceptance rates to the HYPSM would be a far better yard stick that matriculation numbers. As hotchkiss is a smaller school they tend to have a bias towards going to smaller liberal arts colleges - not necessarily a bad thing in fact some can argue (and believe me they do argue) that the liberal arts colleges offer a better education than the larger universities. HYPSM matric rates do not suggest how many students at these institutions are deemed HYPSM worthy. I seriously believe that I am one of the few people in my grade who would attend Harvard over any other college - if admitted. Far more telling than matric rates are scores on things such as SATs and APs, the number of competitions one, and ALUMNI. Alumni in my opinion tops all because it shows not just how many go onto to HYPSM but what people actually achieve with whatever education they receive after their respective education. It really all comes down to personal preference.</p>
<p>Em, Peddie can’t compete with the other schools listed besides Westminster. There’s no way it’s on par with schools like Andover, SPS, Chapin, Collegiate, Harvard Westlake, etc. in regards to matriculation and alumni. Personal experience could be a different article, but that’s all subjective. Peddie is still an amazing school, though.</p>
<p>@Kafka: Many of these rankings take into mind schools such as the ones you listed, but you have to agree they do not carry the weight of HYPSM. Also, the schools listed (I think) had very good SAT scores, at or above, Hotchkiss. They took the whole thing into consideration. On a side note, rejecting HYPSM occurs at every school. </p>
<p>@ca87: Exactly, objectively the schools we drone on about on cc (heads gcm… I guess all these new schools) are the best of the best. While all the rest are great, that comes subjectively.</p>
<p>Many other schools have people who choose top LA’s over HYPSM also. Not only hotchkiss</p>
<p>Yeah… While Hotchkiss has many strengths, relative to other BS matriculation is not one of them. I am not saying this defines the Hotchkiss experience, my point is that they cannot win at everything.</p>
<p>Well I have yet to see a ranking that takes schools such as Williams and Georgetown into account. If I am wrong please provide some. </p>
<p>Secondly though it is true that rejecting hypsm occurs at many schools what I was trying to communicate is that it is particularly accentuated at Hotchkiss because people who come here normally choose Hotchkiss over Andover or schools like that because of the size and so therefore when it comes to choosing colleges they like wise choose Lacs over HYPSM. Georgetown is probably the favorite university on campus because of its close association with DC and so the political junkies on campus love it. As is UPENN and the U of Chicago because of the Wharton/Booth connection that placates the business kids desires.</p>
<p>So like I said what would be completely objective is a percent accepted rate because regardless of their choices that would reflect how good a school is at getting its students into top colleges. </p>
<p>That put aside what matters even more than that is what students do after college regardless of what uni they went to. Which is why i personally feel that alumni lists trump everything else. You may go to Harvard and have a lack-luster life or you may go to Williams or Georgetown and be extremely successful it all depends on the individual. Personally I would prefer to go to Harvard but like I have said before I am in the minority here. </p>
<p>Looking at what a school has to offer you and is attuned to your interest should be your primary consideration. I mean if your goal is really to get into Harvard then Hotchkiss, Exeter, and Cambridge school of Weston will all do equally well to help you achieve that goal as long as you take the initiative and do your best. What does it matter it 30 % of your class went off to Harvard if you don’t ? I would rather be in a class where 1 % get in as long as I am one of them. And the way to accomplish that is to go to a school where you can pursue your interest to the fullest. </p>
<p>Thirdly when you take SATs into account for instance the rankings would go something like this:</p>
<p>Exeter, Groton, Milton, SPS, Hotchkiss, Andover, Deerfield. </p>
<p>For SSATs they go something like this:</p>
<p>Andover, Hotchkiss, Exeter, Groton, Deerfield, Milton. </p>
<p>So really they vary but the differences between them do not vary greatly.</p>
<p>but yoou are right different schools have their different strengths it all depends on what you want out of them.</p>
<p>Yea I guess. SPS is a little smaller than Hotchkiss but about the same size, they have one of the best matriculation and many go to Georgetown and so on. </p>
<p>I agree alumni means a lot. But I don’t see who you could possibly suggest Hotchkiss alumni is any better than any other top school just because they have a few more billionaires or w.e.</p>
<p>You are right in that what matters is after college. The school, however, is ranked with where it gets the student into. To be honest, if Hotchkiss matriculated a bunch of billionaires, I would credit that to the college which matriculated that kid. I know PLENTY of kids at many schools (not sure about BS) who would easily overturn Harvard. Either way, Hotchkiss is a great school. Don’t worry just because Forbes did not recognize Hotchkiss does not mean it makes it any worse.</p>
<p>5x(billionaires)≤50x(millionaires)…</p>
<p>Read kafka’s post; he explains why matriculation is not necessarily something that defines how good a school is. Hotchkiss probably does not consider this (low matric to Ivies) “losing”. Matriculation is a choice; just because one is qualified to go to an Ivy, does not mean the will choose an Ivy.</p>
<p>Matriculation is just as much a choice at South Alabama Alternative High School as it is at Hotchkiss.</p>
<p>Well it may not be important…but how much money your alumni make isn’t really that important either. Not everyone gauges success by money and fame. But when looking it at from afar it’s the easy thing identify by, just like matriculation to IVYs is the easiest thing to look at in terms of college placement.</p>
<p>Can’t really complain.</p>
<p>Forbes does articles on a whole bunch of different schools. Two years ago for instance Hotchkiss was the first school they put and they even used photos from the school. the person writing the article has a multitude of schools to choose from and does not necessarily have to fit them all in the same article. So i really do not care whether or not Hotchkiss is mentioned in that article or not. To be fair neither is deerfield, doesn’t male Deerfield any worse now does it ? </p>
<p>And the schools are NOT ranked by where they get their students get into they are ranked by where their students choose to go. </p>
<p>[Most</a> Expensive Private High Schools - Forbes.com](<a href=“http://www.forbes.com/2006/12/09/private-schools-most-expensive-biz-cx_tvr_1211prep.html]Most”>Most Expensive Private High Schools)</p>
<p>[America’s</a> Most Expensive Prep Schools - Forbes.com](<a href=“http://www.forbes.com/2006/12/09/private-schools-most-expensive-biz-cx_tvr_1211prep_slide.html]America’s”>America's Most Expensive Prep Schools)</p>
<p>Furthermore I would agree that how much money you make is not necessarily the only indication of success … but that being said it is not as if the only thing Hotchkiss alums have done is make lotsa money…Anyhow I have homework to do. Later ppl.</p>
<p>““Thirdly when you take SATs into account for instance the rankings would go something like this:
Exeter, Groton, Milton, SPS, Hotchkiss, Andover, Deerfield.
For SSATs they go something like this:
Andover, Hotchkiss, Exeter, Groton, Deerfield, Milton.”” - Kafka Post 29</p>
<p>One again, I would like to ask you for your sources for this information you post here. Thank you.</p>
<p>I know that, hence the matriculation. Why does being expensive make it better?</p>
<p>It does not make it better it was just an illustration of how some schools get talked about in various articles while others are not. Anyhow the article is subjective and makes no presence that these are the only top schools in America or that these schools are better than any others. In fact the article writer probably picked the schools that already get a lot of press since they will be recognizable to their audience. SPS educate John Kerry - John Kerry = recognition, Groton educated FDR, FDR = recognition, Andover educated Bush, Bush = recognition. Hotchkiss on the other hand educated Paul Nitze - not as name worthy but perhaps just as influential as the rest. Few have heard of Henry Luce and yet he defined foreign policy for generations. Fame like you said does not necessarily equate merit. See how this game works out ? </p>
<p>Anyhow the stats I got are from the same source all of these outdated “Rankings” get their data from - boarding school review.</p>
<p>Read this:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/college/feederschools.htm[/url]”>http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/college/feederschools.htm</a></p>
<p>The Forbes article is totally fluffy, trashy journalism. Quoting The Preppy Handbook?! It’s been 30 years since that book was published and it was totally “tongue in cheek” at the time.</p>
<p>The only rankings I take seriously are PrepReviw, for some reason I think Forbes relies on the name. That being said, I bet they look at certain glaring factors… Is that book worth reading, btw?</p>