<p>Oh wow, another endowment war.</p>
<p>First you trash U-M, then you make fun of Omaha? O, woe is me!</p>
<p>Please understand that M-Care is NOT the health system! For Pete's sake; it's an insurance plan! LOL It was a big sale, but it had nothing at all to do with selling off any assets of the health system.</p>
<p>Michigan's got some big classes and that's not great for everyone. But look at English comp--enrollment is limited to 18, and that's a freshmen class that just about everyone takes. And one of U-M's biggest classes is with Ralph Williams, who was voted U-M's best professor something like 9 times out of 10. People WANT to take that class. It would be a crime to limit it to 15 people and tell the other 335 students to bug off.</p>
<p>And to my novi friend, I think you got wooshed by my Zingerman's comment.</p>
<p>Just about every institution mentioned in this thread thus far is one I would consider impressive, for what that's worth. We're not comparing ground round to filet mignon here.</p>
<p>The idea that U-M is going down the tubes doesn't square with the big picture. The state's financial situation is not great, but we've weathered a bad state economy before. The $300 million is important to the U, but it's a pretty small slice of the revenue pie. Frankly, in times of trouble higher education can be a growth industry. All those Michiganders who can't count on making $80,000 a year working the line in a Ford plant anymore are going to have to get a college degree to make that kind of money elsewhere. And they want their kids to have degrees too. Traditionally Michigan hasn't sent many of its kids to college and that is going to change, which was the crux of the Cherry Commission report. I think all universities in Michigan could see strong enrollments in the future. In the meantime, U-M has seen its greatest growth in nonresident apps, so demand is not diminishing outside the state.</p>
<p>Sure, the state of Michigan's problems deserve some concern, but I think students would be foolish to make enrollment decisions based on that, or to assume U-M is going to decline precipitously. That is not going to happen.</p>
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<p>I like learning in lecture hall settings.</p>
<p>LSA Class Sizes for First-Year Students
Average Class Sizes: Science less than 35
Math less than 30
English less than 18
Lectures normally between 50-200 students; the largest lecture hall seats 550*
(*Most lectures have smaller discussion sections (usually numbering 25 or less) to provide small group discussion and intellectual exchange)</p>
<p>hoedown or anyone,
Do you know if the $300mm from the state of Michigan is just for the Ann Arbor campus or is that for all U Michigan campuses? </p>
<p>Also, I think that U Virginia breaks out how much they give to their medical center. Do you know how much of the state funds are directed to the medical center at U Michigan?</p>
<p>Oh no, that $323 million is just to us. Dearborn and Flint get their own appropriations. FY08 was $25M to Dearborn and $21M to Flint. </p>
<p>Incidentally, the revenue estimating conference for May hasn't happened yet, but so far it looks like the 3% increase is a go, which is a change in the right direction.</p>
<p>I've always thought of the Medical center as All-Funds--I don't believe there is a GF appropriation for it. There is not line-item for it in the approps bill. It's possible the state gives money to the med center in other ways, but it's not part of the $323 million. As for what U-M itself may direct towards the med center, I don't know....I wouldn't think it would be much of anything. Why would GF approps flow to the med center at UVa or U-M? Can you give me some examples, then maybe I could track it down.</p>
<p>Med centers are self-supporting. The Med School, etc gets money. Wisconsin spun off the med center into an independent unit and it gets no state funding other than Medicaid type payments for patients. It makes a tidy profit some of which is kicked back to the university to fund medical education.</p>
<p>There's also a boatload of U of M departments (Medical, Dental, Social Work, Nursing, Public Health, etc) associated with the Ann Arbor VA hospital, which I would assume gets a decent amount of funding from the national government.</p>
<p>this thread is making me want to quit CC. michigan a mediocre school? private schools the only way to go? wow.. can we say stuck up elistist? someone needs a reality check. </p>
<p>to get back to the real point. yes, almost no matter where you go in the country michigan will get you respect. maybe not as much as the regional schools in that area but who cares what people who are not your future employer think? you know that its a great school and so do all people who know at least something about US colleges</p>
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<p>Haha, are you new to CC? ;)</p>
<p>Hey Everyone,</p>
<p>I reviewed my posts from yesterday... I feel like a massive jerk! I'm sorry y'all. Chalk it up to a bad day? I'd be pleased as punch if UM took me for graduate school.</p>
<p>Best,
Anzac</p>
<p>hahah not new to CC at all, been on it a little over a year. but im pretty sure ive never seen anything THIS bad. maybe cause i tend just to ignore threads that would deal with something like this but i responded to this one because i thought i could help the OP seeing im from somewhat of the same place where UM is regarded highly.</p>
<p>Can this thread die now please?</p>
<p>Well, no, I don't want the thread to die because I was hopeful hawkette would provide some information about the appropriation that UVa directs to its med center. It's my belief that U-M doesn't do this, and barrons thinks it's uncommon. But if I knew more about UVa's budget in this area, I would be able to more accurately answer the question about Michigan.</p>
<p>Don't expect hawkette to give you any information that might reflect favorably on Michigan. I hope i'm proven wrong.</p>
<p>UVa has a very detailed budget online. I'll post a link.</p>
<p>^ Yes, budget data is a great indicator.</p>
<p>Here--it seems the only state money goes to the Medical School--not the hospital which makes a profit.</p>
<p>That's why I am trying to understand this thing about the medical center--there's nothing in the budget? Hawkette said that UVa made that explicit.</p>
<p>It's there under medical center but all the income is from patient revenues and the like. No state money as in a state subsidy. I'm sure the state does pay for indigent care under various programs outside the U as they would at any hospital. I think the detailed UM budget has a similar summary in it. It is very detailed.</p>