<p>Sam, no one questions Stanford’s leadership in the computer industry. Silicon Valley got many of its top people from Stanford, although I tend to think they come from the graduate and professional part of Stanford rather than the undergraduate portion. But Brown produces amazing, ground-breaking people in a variety of disciplines. Let’s look at Louisiana’s governor Bobby Jindal. Brown grad, and took full advantage of Brown’s open curriculum. Rhodes Scholar. Accepted to Harvard Med and Yale Law. At an incredibly young age, ran the health care system for the entire state of Louisiana. First Indian-American governor. When initially rejected for Congress, many people say because of his dark skin in a quintessentially Southern state, he persevered, became Louisiana’ Congressman, and then its governor. Many of the Hollywood themes that have become cultural memes emanated from the Semiotics concentration at Brown. So much so, that there is a contingent of powerful players in the entertainment industry dubbed the Brown mafia. Remember a few years ago when the Mars mission encompassed the rovers? It was a Brown show. So much so that it was written about in the Brown Alumni Monthly, and it was noted that many in the Space Program were concerned, at the time, that Brown ran too much of the mission. Brown and MIT share a cross-fertilization in the study of planetary geology that is unique and amazing. Whether you are talking about politics, business, computer science, or the hard sciences, Brown’s unique cross-disciplinary approach, patented in the undergraduate program, but extant across the university’s academic landscape, makes Brown one of, if not the, premier place to study at undergraduate level for the true autodidact.</p>
<p>“@Sam Lee: I’d suggest that you read up on the history of Brown’s curricular change before you make it into a popularity stunt.”</p>
<p>Here Sam, you can read this, FWIW:
[</a>" + artTitle.replace(“-”,“”) + " - " + “The Brown Daily Herald” + " - " + “Focus” + "](<a href=“http://www.browndailyherald.com/2.12252/the-new-curriculum-then-1.1682410?pagereq=5]”>http://www.browndailyherald.com/2.12252/the-new-curriculum-then-1.1682410?pagereq=5)</p>
<p>However, IMO that article does not give sufficient attention to the overall context of the times, and influence thereof. For example, Brown’s “New Curriculum” was passed May 7, 1969. This is what happened April 19, 1969, may have been on the mind of Brown faculty & administration at the time, don’t you think??
[Cornell</a> Alumni Magazine - Getting It Straight](<a href=“Getting It Straight – Cornell Alumni Magazine”>Getting It Straight – Cornell Alumni Magazine)
It made the pages of Life Magazine, with pictures of the armed students during the takeover, on May 2nd.</p>
<p>and before that:
[Columbia</a> University protests of 1968 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_University_protests_of_1968]Columbia”>1968 Columbia University protests - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>Ahhh, those were the days…</p>
<p>While you’re reading, this is interesting too
[The</a> university admissions process Blog Archive Brown Rice](<a href=“http://www.cllgadmssns.tk/brown-rice]The”>http://www.cllgadmssns.tk/brown-rice)</p>
<p>Like always Sam, you don’t pay attention to what I write. I don’t say a core makes you self-determined, I rather question if it is possible to be as self-determined as a Brown student. Hence the comparison living in your mom’s basement. I don’t need “metric evidence” for that, this is common sense. The more exogenously determined you are, the less self-determined you can be.
Steve Jobs would have never gone to UChicago/Columbia. People like that -self starters- are not made for this kind of system, although I admit that certain other types might thrive in it. Now obviously there are successful entrepreneurs from those kind of schools, yet this does not disprove that another school system might have been more supportive and/or better. Nobody wants to claim that Brown is the only way to become a self starter, it might just be one of the best ways to go.</p>
<p>@all except ■■■■■■: I’ve seen some great posts here. Make that a sticky “■■■■■■ FAQ”</p>
<p>If Brown has such a fabulous undergrad experience, why are they so low on the Rankings for the Ivies?</p>
<p>^Which rankings?</p>
<p>Rankings are not reliable in the least bit, but Brown is ranked 6th for undergraduate teaching - the only other Ivy Leagues above it being Dartmouth and Princeton. I don’t know what point you’re trying to make.
[Best</a> Colleges - Education - US News](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-ut-rank]Best”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-ut-rank)</p>
<p>
Brown also falls way behind Harvard, Yale, Princeton, etc. for professional school placement, students winning awards and most quantifiable measures. Either this is because it’s not as selective or because it’s really not stronger at the undergraduate or any other level. Either way it’s not on the same level.</p>
<p>lol, see the link below, you will change your mind, hahaha
[Brown</a> ranks among top producers of Fulbright students | Today at Brown](<a href=“Web Login Service”>Web Login Service)</p>
<p>The number of Fullbright students doesn’t compensate for overall disparities. The fact is, Brown will always be one of the “lesser known” Ivies by virtue of the brand power the “Big Three” have. HYP tends to overshadow the other schools because of their money, power, quality, and constant scrutiny. Deal with it.</p>
<p>Unless you can prove it - I call ******** on the ‘Brown falls way behind on professional school placement, students winning awards’</p>
<p>Students winning awards - 2 recent graduates won the ‘MacArthur Genius Grant’ in 2010 (Yale managed 2 and I’m not sure how many HP managed bit it’s probably less or equal), 3rd highest number of people who go on Fulbright grants upon graduation. </p>
<p>Placement - (from the admissions website) </p>
<h1>Brown consistently ranks among the top five colleges in the nation in the percentage of its applicants accepted to medical school, and these impressive records are similar in other areas of graduate study. (even if HYP are 1,2,3 and Brown is 5, that is not way behind - and this is probably not even the case)</h1>
<h1>Of those who apply to law school, 92 to 95 percent are accepted to one of their top three choices; among business school applicants, the figure is nearly 100 percent.</h1>
<p>Other quantifiable measures - Make sure you aren’t equally misinformed about those too. </p>
<p>Selectivity - It’s the 5th most selective college in the US the the 09/10 application cycle. Behind HYPS and ahead of Columbia and MIT by a whisker.
Princeton 8.7% and Brown 9.35% doesn’t seem like an earth-shattering difference to me.</p>
<p>Brown is a better fit for some people than HYP, and HYP are better than Brown for others. Just make sure you consider THAT as the most important factor rather than misrepresented ‘statistics’ (or even accurate ones for that matter).</p>
<p>Examine the major scholarships over a long time. Brown does better than Princeton in two by only a couple winners but mostly lags far behind.</p>
<p>
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/798325-rhodes-marshall-truman-nsf-fulbright-scholars-private-universities.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/798325-rhodes-marshall-truman-nsf-fulbright-scholars-private-universities.html</a></p>
<p>Brown students don’t do as well in getting into the top law schools either. Pretty unfortunate since it doesn’t have a law school of its own for students.
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/brown-university/937294-why-brown-ranked-so-low-shanghai-jio-tong.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/brown-university/937294-why-brown-ranked-so-low-shanghai-jio-tong.html</a>
<a href=“WSJ in Higher Education | Trusted News & Real-World Insights”>http://wsjclassroom.com/pdfs/wsj_college_092503.pdf</a></p>
<p>
I want proof. I easily found more than five colleges boasting higher percentages.</p>
<p>Harvard 94%: [Competition</a> for Medical School Stiffens | The Harvard Crimson](<a href=“http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2003/11/17/competition-for-medical-school-stiffens-the/]Competition”>Competition for Medical School Stiffens | News | The Harvard Crimson)
MIT 94%: [Preprofessional</a> Stats - MIT Careers Office](<a href=“http://www.mit.edu/~career/infostats/preprof.html]Preprofessional”>http://www.mit.edu/~career/infostats/preprof.html)
Princeton 91%: [Princeton’s</a> Victory Over Grade Inflation - An Authoritative News Source for Elementary School, High School, and Higher Education News and Education Articles](<a href=“http://www.ednews.org/articles/princetons-victory-over-grade-inflation.html]Princeton’s”>http://www.ednews.org/articles/princetons-victory-over-grade-inflation.html)
Yale 90%: [Premed</a> advising gets a check-up | Yale Daily News](<a href=“http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2010/apr/23/premed-advising-gets-a-check-up/]Premed”>http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2010/apr/23/premed-advising-gets-a-check-up/)
Lehigh 90%: [Lehigh</a> University - UR News Story: 2565](<a href=“Lehigh University News | Lehigh University”>Lehigh University News | Lehigh University)
Rice 90%: [Rice</a> University | Frequently Asked Questions](<a href=“http://www.students.rice.edu/students/FAQ1.asp?SnID=2#percentriceapp]Rice”>http://www.students.rice.edu/students/FAQ1.asp?SnID=2#percentriceapp)
Duke 85%: <a href=“http://www.admissions.duke.edu/jump/pdf/Quick_Facts.pdf[/url]”>http://www.admissions.duke.edu/jump/pdf/Quick_Facts.pdf</a>
Richmond 85%: [Why</a> Pre-Health Studies? - University of Richmond School of Arts & Sciences](<a href=“http://prehealth.richmond.edu/why/index.html]Why”>http://prehealth.richmond.edu/why/index.html) </p>
<p>Brown 81%: [Medical</a> Admission Data Snapshot](<a href=“WELCOME TO HEALTH CAREERS ADVISING | Health Careers Advising”>WELCOME TO HEALTH CAREERS ADVISING | Health Careers Advising) </p>
<p>
Kenyon boasts a 99% rate. Is it better than Brown? That number is useless in a without context. </p>
<p><a href=“http://www.kenyon.edu/x1134.xml[/url]”>http://www.kenyon.edu/x1134.xml</a></p>
<p>
It’s easy to artificially lower your rate when you’re locking in 40% of your class through early decision. The fact that Princeton’s is lower even without early decision makes it very impressive.</p>
<p>
USC is a better fit for some people than HYP, but that doesn’t make it a better university or even as good. Brown is great, but saying it’s as good as Harvard or even Yale or Princeton on any level is ridiculous.</p>
<p>:) .</p>
<p>Conclusion:
- In the end, a person’s success does not rely on or is measured by prestige alone.
- Every school has strengths and weaknesses based upon an individual’s own preferences.
- Don’t judge a school unless you’ve been to it.
- F*** rankings, so much of it is based on factors that are not felt by every day students.
- I’m currently a Brown student. I love it here, but I still respect and admire other schools. </p>
<ol>
<li>F**** prestige. Find a school that fits your personality, work hard, and be grateful for everything you have.</li>
</ol>
<p>Just ignore the CC ■■■■■ and the Harvard ■■■■■. The Harvard ■■■■■’s job is feel good about being at Harvard and post his/her wonderful 18 year old perspective. The CC ■■■■■’s job is to snarkily ask questions with attitude, and post statistics most of us have already seen, debated, etc, etc. Even though they both have nothing to do with Brown, they like to share their opinions which matter so much to us.</p>
<p>Nothing new around here.</p>
<p>“Brown is great, but saying it’s as good as Harvard or even Yale or Princeton on any level is ridiculous.”
Firstly, the stats you posted clearly state that Brown can compete with HYP or rather that at least these schools are not miles ahead(especially Princeton). Posting stats that go back till 1954 is ridiculous, just look how Brown’s acceptance rate dropped within in the last couple years compared to other schools.
That H & Y law school accept more students of each other is hardy a measure of great undergrad education. These two professional schools clearly try to accept as many undergrads of the other school as possible and hope for a reciprocal favor.</p>
<p>And btw: Where is our Chicago ■■■■■? I pretty much haven’t seen Chicago in the Rankings at all.</p>
<p>I rather like the idea that Brown is less enticing for obsessive prestige-seekers. Obsessive prestige-seekers all too often get THE ATTITUDE that they are better than the rest of society merely because of the college they attended. That gets old quickly, just like the kid who spends all his time bragging about his grandfather’s accomplishments.</p>
<p>Brown is prestigious ENOUGH that any student with a solid GPA should have no trouble landing a decent job or getting into a select graduate school. For those students more interested in receiving the perfect opportunity for developing their OWN skills, rather than merely riding off the coattails of their school’s traditional reputation, Brown is ideal.</p>
<p>[50</a> Top Colleges](<a href=“http://50topcolleges.com/Rankings.html]50”>http://50topcolleges.com/Rankings.html)</p>
<p>USNEWS Ranking The Most Accepted Ranking For Reference</p>
<h1>1 Harvard</h1>
<h1>2 Princeton</h1>
<h1>3 Yale</h1>
<h1>4 Columbia</h1>
<h1>5 UPenn</h1>
<h1>6 Dartmouth</h1>
<h1>7 Brown</h1>
<h1>8 Cornell</h1>
<p>This is the only ranking people/employers (especially people that actually matter) care about (USNEWS), this can change in the future, but for now this stands.</p>
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<p>Right. So the hiring managers at Google and Apple and Microsoft first consult the USNWR list before deciding on which job applicants to hire? “Sorry, you would’ve been qualified if you’d gone to UPenn, but you attended Brown, so we’ll have to turn you down.”</p>
<p>think about it. BROWN university? Its obviously racism</p>