<p>yeah it depends on the major. OOS for non-engineering is not very hard, and definitely not as difficult as the ivies.</p>
<p>If I'm reading this correctly, Page 37 says 23% admit rate overall; 87% are Californians.</p>
<p>^^ your point? California is a huge state, so there are tons of applicants (doesn't mean it's 'easy' for those in CA).</p>
<p>In state Berkeley is not remarkably hard by any means.</p>
<p>OOS=getting into Penn or Cornell</p>
<p>^^ your point? California is a huge state, so there are tons of applicants (doesn't mean it's 'easy' for those in CA). </p>
<p>My point is that it seems hard overall (23 percent; less tahn 1 in 4 of applicants that do not appear to be "idiots" based on the applicant data); If the overwhelming majority are from California, it must be a much smaller percent for OOS. I think for most normal to above average students ( not to mention "idiots") I wouldn't call it easy. Perhaps "hard" and "easy" means something different for us regular folk and our kin. I'll just say it's been called " most selective".</p>
<p>With the new common data set out, it's even more visible how difficult Berkeley is:</p>
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C11. Percentage of all enrolled, degree-seeking, first-time, first-year (freshman) students who had high school gradepoint
averages within each of the following ranges (using 4.0 scale). Report information only for those students from</p>
<p>Percent who had GPA of 3.75 and higher 94%
Percent who had GPA between 3.50 and 3.74 3%
Percent who had GPA between 3.25 and 3.49 1%
Percent who had GPA between 3.00 and 3.24 1%
Percent who had GPA between 2.50 and 2.99 1%
Percent who had GPA between 2.00 and 2.49 0%
Percent who had GPA between 1.00 and 1.99 0%
Percent who had GPA below 1.00 0%</p>
<p>C12. Average high school GPA of all degree-seeking, first-time, first-year (freshman) students who submitted GPA: 3.9
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Percent in top tenth of high school graduating class 98% estimate
Percent in top quarter of high school graduating class 100% estimate
Percent in top half of high school graduating class 100% estimate
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<p>'Course, that's enrolled students, but admitted student stats should be pretty similar.</p>
<p>Most people on cc would consider Berkeley "easy" but the average student would not.</p>
<p>if i was about to apply all over again..and came to this thread i would be freaking out. i am OOS and i got in..it wasnt impossible.. i had only a 1860 on my SATs. that was obviously my weakpoint. but i had a high GPA and i think my essays helped. its not impossible..and it is NOT as hard as getting into one of the ivies.
THERE IS HOPE :) no worries.</p>
<p>SATs aren't everything obviously. My classmate (OOS) had a 2340 SAT with 750s in all his SAT IIs and a high GPA with great ECs and he got rejected. I'm sure it happens all the time.</p>
<p>hawaii06: you're an anomaly. The vast majority have to be pretty damn good. Many have made it into Ivies, etc. and not Berkeley.</p>
<p>llpitch, you aren't even a senior in hs yet, so I'm not sure why you think you are qualified enough to judge Berkeley as being "easy to get into if you're smart". That is completely false. UCB's avg. unweighted GPA last year was a 3.96, and the avg weighted was a 4.3 cumulative. Last year our class valedictorian was accepted at Stanford and Penn but not Berkeley, and that's coming from in-state. It is easily one of the most selective schools in the world, and each year the acceptance rate gets lower. This year it dropped 2%, with a few thousand more applicants as well. Perhaps when you apply to schools you think are "easy" and get waitlisted or denied, you will be more humbled....screwthepc, just give it up. You're either on a huge ego trip or have no idea how competitive it really is.</p>
<p>From OOS, getting into Berkeley is like trying to get into Princeton. Definitely don't take anything for granted, and unless you have a perfect SAT, put it as one of your 'high reaches'. That is not to insult your intelligence in any way, but it is a reach for even the smartest of applicants, in state or OOS. Good luck though!</p>
<p>hawaii06, if you are applying from Hawaii, of course you got in. That would add to their diversity, because few from your state probably ever apply. So you are a minority, which makes it a ton easier to get in. That shouldn't be compared with normal applicants from more populous states.</p>
<p>"I don't know about the CC posters being hardened, BUT
they sure are arrogant." -Amen to that. I wonder how many of these people have been accepted to Cal. I mean, if they actually looked at the stats, they would have no argument for it being "easy".</p>
<p>A lot of people from my school who I thought wouldn't get in got in. The average SAT score of people who got into Cal from my school is no more than 1700.</p>
<p>^^^ I find that extremely hard to believe.</p>
<p>yeah. were they all minorities (please don't take offense to this, but minorities are known for getting in with much lower stats)?</p>
<p>In state is EASY? Never heard of that.</p>
<p>Wow, I don't need to apply to Davis or San Diego, since I got 1700 on my SAT , a few ECs, and a 3.8 GPA.</p>
<p>Berkeley here I come......</p>
<p>Those suckers at the rest of the UC most be idiots. Wait .... they are suppose to be the top 12.5 percent high school grads. So California is full of idiots. Students who goes to CSU are lower than idiots, right?</p>
<p>I am being sarcastic here.... I know a lot of very bright and smart CSU students.</p>
<p>OOS Berkeley like applying and getting into H,Y,MIT,Caltech. You cannot essay your way in so to speak.</p>
<p>actually you are all wrong..stop making stuff up. If you don't know what you are talking about then don't spread lies around to disprove students form applying. HYPMC is like Berkeley OOS. C'mon people. OOS at Berkeley is like a 20% acceptance rate....at Harvard it's like 9.....you really think that's similar..stop giving people false hope!</p>
<p>yes, it's that similar. Berkeley denies people with perfect SAT scores from OOS (yes, I know two of them, and both were admitted to Stanford and Harvard). It's not false hope, it's reality. UCB has more top-ranked departments than any other university in the country (36 to be exact, sorry HYPMC). They accept and deny smart people for a reason: because they know what it takes to be the best, and not everyone has it. I am not a student at Berkeley or UCLA either, so I'm unbiased. So, "sheed30", it's not lies, it's facts. The sooner you learn that, the better your arguments will be.</p>