<p>erc37</p>
<p>Where did you magically emerge from? You seem so familiar with CC, yet this is your first post. ... and you agree with tux08902. Hmmmm....</p>
<p>Again if you don't like the answers, don't ask the questions. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. If you can't argue with clearer logic and better facts, don't participate.</p>
<p>erc37 seems fishy, I agree.</p>
<p>unregistered ... um ... sarcasm? anyone?</p>
<p>word of caution here guys - AdComs do frequent CC and many of you have left pretty significant clues re stats, location, activities, etc so you might want to watch what you say and the tone of your posts.</p>
<p>No, your sarcasm was abundantly clear, rightnotleft. Which is why I felt the need to clarify my point.</p>
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<p>I think that would be good for me :D They would know that there exists a Dartmouth Lunatic ;)</p>
<p>astronaut j, as much as that would be supposedly cool, it's not like there aren't a ton of Dartmouth lunatics already. Unfortunately for you, Dartmouth doesn't really need students to demonstrate interest to get them in or to get a look - there are far too many qualified applicants for them to really care. The unfortunate truth is, they are looking for reasons to deny people more than they are looking for reasons to admit them. Chances are for the class of '12 the RD admissions rate will be (yet again) an all time low, so, in all seriousness ... watch your tones here guys. You don't want to be noticed as a) a jerk or b) somebody who tries too hard to get into college.</p>
<p>I understand that rightnotleft I am an EDer btw. I am not trying hard to get into <em>any</em> college. I am trying to get into Dartmouth ;)</p>
<p>I agree with what you say and that is what exactly ****es me off. The students who don't really want to be at Dartmouth but apply just because it is an Ivy get in! If I est. a college some day I'm going to make sure only those are admitted who will prove to be loyal to their alma mater. College is no longer about forming communities and education but rather its all about climbing rankings charts.</p>
<p>Just my opinion. Probably letting the application process steam out :)</p>
<p>as far as places that are fiercely loyal to their alma mater ... dartmouth is pretty high up there.</p>
<p>gluck, btw.</p>
<p>Yep, but most of the students fall in love with D after they get there ;)</p>
<p>Dartmouth's SAT range is 1350-1550, this is higher than most of its peer schools, with the exception of Duke. This would suggest that Dartmouth places a relatively high emphasis on SAT scores compared to that of most of its peer schools.</p>
<p>No one is denying it doesn't but it also takes into consideration other factors. Dartmouth seeks well rounded applicants and not only good SAT score achievers.</p>
<p>I'm very confused about what this argument is about.</p>
<p>^ <em>chuckle</em> I am getting confused too :D</p>
<p>ok guys this is getting weird....we will just have to wait to see what happens. </p>
<p>i didn't mean to start this long debate that is impossible to ever resolve</p>
<p>Thelongroad. I too think people should be careful. The only reason I am not going to post a stats profile is because my combination of scores and ECs would be very unique, and if an adcom had been reading this and disagreed/didn't like something I said, i didn't want it to hurt me.</p>
<p>Back to the topic:
SATs are important. The Adcoms do NOT differentiate between 2 candidates using them. They get an idea of where you stand, and then get a better idea of what a certain gpa at your school correlates to. This way, for those who go to super-competitive schools like mine, they will know that not being int he top 10% of your class still makes you Ivy-Elligible based on your SAT scores of 1500+. I don't think it would hurt you though, if you had so-so SATs, but a high GPA. The only thing that would hurt you is having weak for both.</p>
<p>I think people like to debate admissions, SAT scores, and so forth because it's so quantifiable, and we're looking for answers. I'd love to see real regression analysis and statistics (real statistics, not the stuff we think we know) about who gets in and with what scores.</p>
<p>I think we do know some hard facts about SAT scores at Dartmouth. </p>
<p>We know mean scores for the class of 2011 (self-reported by Dartmouth):
681 on the SAT Critical Reading
699 on the SAT Math
681 on the SAT Writing </p>
<p>We know the percent of first-year students in 2006-07 with scores in each range (Dartmouth Common Data set):
700-800
SAT Critical Reading 65%
SAT Math 70%
SAT Writing 65%</p>
<p>600-699
SAT Critical Reading 28%
SAT Math 24%
SAT Writing 29%</p>
<p>500-599
SAT Critical Reading 7%
SAT Math 6%
SAT Writing 6%</p>
<p>We know the middle 50% range for the class of 2011:</p>
<p>SAT Critical Reading: 670-770
SAT Math: 680-780 </p>
<p>We know the admit rate: 16%</p>
<p>We also know the percentiles from which Dartmouth draws the bulk of its applicants, based on College Entrance Examination Board data. Data is for all senior SAT takers. It is from a document entitlled, "Percentile Ranks for Males, Females, and Total Group: 2006 College-Bound Seniors—Critical Reading + Mathematics + Writing." The middle number below is the actual number of students scoring in a particular score band.</p>
<p>2240 1,428 99
2230 1,572 99
2220 1,729 99
2210 1,850 99
2200 2,022 99
2190 1,992 98
2180 2,214 98
2170 2,342 98
2160 2,506 98
2150 2,622 98
2140 2,939 98
2130 3,058 97
2120 3,190 97
2110 3,432 97
2100 3,698 97
2090 3,796 96
2080 3,953 96
2070 4,195 96
2060 4,315 95
2050 4,540 95
2040 4,761 95 </p>
<p>Based on this data, I think we can safely answer the OP's original question, "How important are SAT scores at Dartmouth?" The answer is that high SAT scores are very important at Dartmouth. They are not, in and of themselves, determinative of admission but they are a highly important element of the admissions calculus (with grades/class rank, ECs and personal qualities from essays/recommendations). We also know that many students with equally high scores, grades, etc, get rejected.</p>
<p>I also think we can infer from the data and safely say this:</p>
<p>"For most applicants to Dartmouth, in order to be a competitive applicant, one should have SAT scores north of 2100 (all other elements in the application being equally strong). </p>
<p>I think we could extend ourselves a bit, go really out on a limb and say, "If you score in 97th percentile on the SATs, are in the top 5% of your class, have a strong and consistent record of accomplishments/leadership in your ECs and your strong qualities are corroborated through your essays and recommendations than your chance of admission to Dartmouth is reasonably good."</p>
<p>And also to answer the OP's other question.</p>
<p>Asfe3 -- Your SAT scores (690 CR, 700 M, 730W), based on the data above, appear to be well within the mean range of this year's Dartmouth freshman class. My sense is that they are unlikely to hurt you, if all other aspects of your application are very strong.</p>
<p>thanks, Ballet Girl, that was helpful!</p>