<p>The following stats seem to suggest Emory is less selective than Northwestern. </p>
<p>Emory:
Admission 11,218 applied, 4,330 admitted, 1,589 enrolled, 3.80 average high school GPA
Average high school GPA 3.80
Test scores SAT verbal scores over 500 100%, SAT math scores over 500 100%, ACT scores over 18 100%, SAT verbal scores over 600 90%, SAT math scores over 600 95%, ACT scores over 24 100%, SAT verbal scores over 700 40%, SAT math scores over 700 51%, ACT scores over 30 54% </p>
<p>Northwestern:
Admission 15,637 applied, 4,684 admitted, 1,915 enrolled
Test scores SAT verbal scores over 500 99%, SAT math scores over 500 100%, ACT scores over 18 100%, SAT verbal scores over 600 91%, SAT math scores over 600 94%, ACT scores over 24 97%, SAT verbal scores over 700 51%, SAT math scores over 700 63%, ACT scores over 30 68% </p>
<p>Not to mention the fact that Northwestern does NOT accept common application.</p>
<p>It doesn't matter if Northwestern is more selective than Emory. Pepperdine is more selective than both Northwestern and Emory despite the fact that the average SAT score of admitted freshmen at Pepperdine is 100 points below both NW and Emory. Selectivity is a function of popularity, and popularity is affected by many things that have no bearing on the quality of an education or the intellectual prowess of the student body, including whether or not a school has a football team.</p>
<p>"Pepperdine is more selective than both Northwestern and Emory despite the fact that the average SAT score of admitted freshmen at Pepperdine is 100 points below both NW and Emory."</p>
<p>you're kidding me, right? what makes you think pepperdine is more selective?</p>
<p>That's the problem with statistics. They don't necessarily tell you much. If "selectivity" is measured by how many applicants get rejected, then Pepperdine is the most selective of the three. Of course, you would argue, and you would be right, that these three percentages don't tell the whole story. Yet, you'd be surprised at how many high school students look at numbers like these all by themselves and draw conclusions.</p>
<p>selectivity isnt just the percentage of students that got in, it largely means the calibur of students taken, which is evidenced in the stats that sam lee showed.</p>
<p>I'm not sure that the stats sam lee showed tell us much more other than (a) NW rejects more applicants than Emory and (b) NW's admitted class (assuming these numbers are for the admitted class and not the overall applicant pool) has a greater percentage of students with SAT scores over 700 and ACT scores over 30. Without knowing any more, there is no way to know if that means that NW students are more "intelligent" (the subject of this thread) or whether they prep better for tests or whether they retake the tests more or whether NW weighs SAT scores more heavily than Emory in admissions decisions or what. My point isn't to defend one school over another at all -- it is just to point out that statistics don't tell the whole story, and that high school students tend to focus too heavily on numbers without knowing the story behind them. Look at UCLA & UCB numbers. SAT scores surprisingly low for schools with such low admit rates. What does that tell us? You'd have to dig deeper to answer that.</p>
<p>You definitely have your point. It may not necessarily indicate Northwestern is more selective, as you have pointed out, but it definitely doesn't support slipstream's claim. </p>
<p>TBB,</p>
<p>When a school doesn't use common application, the size of its applicant pool is deflated because the application takes more work than just copying and pasting. I actually saw a post on Cornell's board about how this Cornell admit gave up applying to Northwestern because he didn't have time/motivation for Northwestern's essay questions. When schools switch to common application for its admission, their size of applicant pool usually increases and their admit rates therefore go down. This raises their selectivity ranks on the US News. I actually suspect that the common application has become so fashionable because schools don't want to be in competitive disadvantage. An counter example is U of Chicago. I really like their essay questions. It's their way to pick out the quirky intellectuals that suit UC's philosophy; unfortunately, US News methodology doesn't take self-selection into consideration and UChicago's selectivity rank has dropped because of that. My point was that Emory, which uses common application, already has this implicit advantage yet Northwestern still has lower admit rate.</p>
<p>so to answer the original question reguarding the intelligence of emory students...</p>
<p>i'm about to start my sophmore year at emory and i have asked a similar question as to how intellectual the students are. there is no doubt that emory students are smart...but how intellectual are they? do they sit around discussing current events and books or are they talking about what so and so did at the frat party last friday? well from what i've found they tend to be a little less intellectual..and while this doesn't apply to every emory student, from what ive seen of emory freshmen, they are the type who don't necessarily always "act" smart and have intellectual conversations despite the fact that they are truly very intelligent...</p>
<p>I would have to agree with FallOutGirl in what I've perceived of other people, but definitely my group of friends had some intense intellectual conversations. You get the best of both worlds at Emory.</p>
<p>People on CC are ridiculous. I know at least 10 people who got into Emory who wouldn't have gotten into Northwestern. NU is more selective, bottom line. Smaller accept rate, better high school GPA, better SAT, etc.</p>
<p>I'm applying to Emory RD I believe... and I just thought I'd put in my two cents. I go to a private school in NYC, and I can tell you for a fact that a lot of people who have gotten into Emory from my school in the past are not really as smart as their applications say. For example, people will pay thousands of dollars to get tested and prove they have a "learning disability" all of a sudden junior year so they get extra time on the SATs and all tests in school... but the amount of people like this who actually go to Emory do not make up a significant portion of the student body, and people like this apply and end up going to all good schools. When I visited, it seemed like some students didn't appear to be outwardly intellectual, but after talking to some for an extended period of time, you realize that they actually are very smart. So my overall conclusion is, that, for the most part, Emory students are smart, they just also like to have fun/not be serious all the time.</p>
<p>My sister is a sophmore at emory currently and she loves it there. Although I consider her to not be overly intellectual (haha i'm her brother), she did recieve excellent board scores in high school (1480, 4.0 gpa, etc...) and had numerous choices in addition to emory. Her decision to attend Emory was based on numerous factors (not just academics, in which Emory also greatly excels). As a senior in high school and having applied to the Emory Scholars Program, I cannot wait to hear from the university and attend school there for four years. GO EMORY!</p>