<p>None. Not Chemistry yet even, I am taking Chem Honors and Calculus (Couldn’t take AP Lit AND Stat if I take Calc) in senior year. </p>
<p>Thinking about it, I am probably going to CS, which is the smartest choice overall. I am great at math but not the best and I am interested in computers. I just haven’t taken Physics yet and will not be able to before college (not offered in HS). </p>
<p>But would I have time to liberal arts classes? </p>
<p>time for* liberal arts classes like history and language? I need those in my life lol. </p>
<p>Yes, Penn’s curriculum is flexible enough that you could add a minor in CAS, or perhaps even a major.</p>
<p>If you want to apply to SEAS, I really think that you should try to get some experiences with science or computer programming. Is there a science club or computer club you could join? </p>
<p>Remember, that as a part of the application process, you are going to have to write an essay explaining why you are interested in engineering or CS, and if you haven’t taken Calculus or Physics or Chemistry, and don’t have science or math related ECs either, it will be a very difficult essay to write and be convincing to the adcom that you should be the one out of every 10 applicants that they accept. </p>
<p>@much2learn I will be taking Chem and Calculus next year, but not Physics, local CC class is full and there’s online courses but they’re sketchy.
I have Language related ECs (Helping kids outside of class with english and their native language and also helping this other kid in my class translating). Isn’t CS about languages too in a way?
I can talk about my strengths in language in my essay. </p>
<p>You are going to have a very hard time getting into engineering if you haven’t taken physics yet, let alone haven’t taken AP Calc. Stat is no replacement for Calc if you want to be an engineer. Keep in mind that if you were in SEAS, you would have to take a year of physics for majors and engineers as a freshman, which is basically at a bit higher of a level than physics C.</p>
<p>I think that if you apply to Penn you should apply to CAS or Wharton (if you decide you are interested in business). I can almost guarantee you that you will not get into SEAS with your background. The kids I knew at Penn who were studying in science/math/engineering were all very advanced when they got in. Many of them had taken several AP sciences classes and had placed into multivariable calc or higher.</p>
<p>I honestly think CAS would be the best option for you since it gives you a lot of freedom and I do know a few people who took the required sciences courses and decided they wanted to transfer to SEAS. However, from what it sounds like, SEAS does not seem like the place for you. You should look more closely at Econ.</p>
<p>Well all of the 4 kids in my school did not take physics nor AP Calc because they weren’t available and still got into Penn through Biomedical Research or Pre-Med, especially all 4 took the Biomedical or Chemistry summer academy like I am now. My only AP class is Biology (Again not my fault) and my 2 out of my 3 subject tests are Bio and Math 2. I am still highly interested in CS.</p>
<p>However, you are probably right, I would struggle in SEAS since all of my strong ECs are not science related at all and my 2 subject tests were under 700, other one was native language (800). There are a lot more majors in CAS indeed. What do you do as an Econ major?</p>
<p>And if I take Econ, shouldn’t I take AP Stat? My school offers it but I’ll have to drop English Honors. </p>
<p>I forgot, I am not declaring my major, I am just picking one that I am most interested in on the Common App. I’m going CAS then since my ECs are strongly correlated with Liberal Arts. But I need to pick a major. </p>
<p>I think I will do this. CAS since it offers more freedom and SEAS requires physics (might still get in since my school don’t offer it, not my fault but still). Then I might transfer into SEAS from CAS after freshman year if I get a 3.0 GPA if I am right.</p>
<p>What is the biology major at SAS for besides pre-med?</p>
<p>Biology major at SAS is pretty much just for premeds or people pursuing a graduate degree in biology. In terms of career prospects, you can’t honestly do anything with it. I’d mirror Poeme and recommend Wharton. It seems like all you care about is “$$$” as you say, so it would probably be the best fit for you. For your goals, a degree in science/engineering would just be a waste of your effort.</p>
<p>I’m gonna apply for CAS, I’m not all about $$, it’s the financial situation I am in.</p>
<p>Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that man. I understand that engineering and science are really attractive for the job security, I’m just trying to convey that if you go to a school like Penn you’ll still have pretty good employment opportunities even if you don’t pursue those fields.</p>
<p>I actually think Econ at CAS may be better since CAS offers flexibility and still gives you access to a lot of job opportunities, pretty much the same ones as Wharton does. You could minor or even double major in computer science. With Econ that would a very employable combination.</p>
<p>Biology, especially at the BA level has very poor job prospects.</p>
<p>Yea CAS is the best choice, I might even major in history, who knows. </p>
@45 Percenter it used to be the case the acceptance rate at SEAS was a bit higher than CAS but the admissions office has said that applications for SEAS has more than doubled over the last two three years so probably the SEAS acceptance rate is a bit lower than CAS. Also for sure it is lower than overall penn ac. For the class of 2017 SEAS was 11.7 while overall acceptance rate was 12.1%. So for the class of 2018 SEAS acceptance rate was prob around 9.6/9.7% and for the class of 2019 is prob gonna be around 9%if the trend continues. ( overall penn acceptance rate will probably be 9.3-9.5)
@ThePariah if you care about the money penn engineering graduates have the sixth highest average salary in the country and wharton the 12th higher ( which would be higher if the bonuses were taken into account since so many go into banking which has very high bonuses) if you like science id day go for SEAS you will probably get a more substantial education than in wharton and had access to the same job opportunities as everyone else at penn. Seas grads do very well in jobs recruiting. If not so much into science try wharton or penn econ( which is also great, top 10 ranked, great rep, and ppl in it do very well in business recruiting too) also you shouldn’t hesitate from applying to wharton because you think it is too competitive. yeah 20 years ago it was much easier to get into seas or cas than wharton but nowadays the difference quite small so if u are gonna go for seas or cas you might as well go for wharton. But either way you cannot really go wrong with any of the three schools.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2014/05/30/50-college-diplomas-with-the-highest-pay/
I don’t think the Forbes survey is correct.
Penn SEAS average salary for class of 2014 are for $73,931 (single degree), $76,368 (dual degree).
But SEAS arerage computer science for class of 2014 is $90,111. This number should be used to compare with salary of Carnegie Mellon School of Computer Science graduates.
http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/files/SEASCPSurv2014BASBSE.pdf
(page 4)
Similary, Forbes survey is not correct about salary of MIT graduates. MIT EECS average salary for class of 2014 is $92,346.
http://gecd.mit.edu/sites/default/files/2014GSSSurvey.pdf
(page 28)
My D will graduate from SEAS this May and I will be very happy for her. She never thought that she would go to engineering. She started her freshmen year at CAS then transferred to SEAS at the beginning of the 3rd semester. She is very energetic and is thinking a lot about enterpreneurship now. I think Penn environment transformed her.
For Wharton, the average salary is lower to SEAS average, but the annual bonus is big.
http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/files/WHA_2014cp.pdf