<p>Harvard Yale Princeton Columbia Dartmouth Penn Brown Cornell.</p>
<p>Harvard Yale Princeton Penn Columbia Dartmouth Brown Cornell</p>
<p>i don’t understand why the elitist-minded stereotypes which students in other schools should have any relevance</p>
<p>HYP and Columbia are top tier ivies(only including columbia because it has more name recognition than the others below it)</p>
<p>Penn, brown, dart are med tier</p>
<p>cornell is low tier ivy </p>
<p>This is based off what a random person on the street would think, although i believe penn should move to the top tier.</p>
<p>Firstly, geekorathletic clearly hasn’t spoken to my friends or myself when he/she puts down the general curriculum. It’s really not that big of a deal, and in truth, some of the most wonderful, illuminating courses were ones I was <em>gasp</em> forced to take. Columbia’s core is substantially more restrictive than Penn’s, but also a reason many choose to go to Columbia and perhaps leave with an even greater body of foundational knowledge, IMO. People should do their proverbial homework and go to the Penn CAS site and see what kinds of classes available to satisfy the necessary requirements. (Honestly, CAS requirements are not terribly different from those of many other colleges. Just look around.)</p>
<p>Secondly, this thread is just silly. The original question presumes that there is some kind of consensus among the other ivies, which is patently untrue. If we’re talking lay prestige, it doesn’t have the same kind of universal name recognition as say Harvard, but let’s be honest: the people who matter know and the people who don’t don’t. It’s as simple as that.</p>
<p>I think it is unfair to claim Penn is “better” than Cornell. Both schools have their strengths and weaknesses. By all standards, Penn CAS = Cornell CAS in terms of prestige. For the past few years, they have had very similar admit rates; furthermore, I know people who have been rejected by Cornell CAS and been accepted by Penn CAS (I also know people who have been rejected by Penn CAS and accepted by Cornell CAS).</p>
<p>jesus, people, you’re nitpicking between the 99.9999th percentile and the 99.999th percentile. what I’m seeing here is positively juvenile and absurd.</p>
<p>Honestly Penn might be the most underrated IVY, simply because it is the only one without a distinctive name. Being PENN, makes it easy to assume it is just another state flagship if you are uninformed, as where names like Columbia and Dartmouth, though not HYP status are distinctive enough to stick in someones mind once they know of them.</p>
<p>The ranking of Ivies depends on your intended major and desired experience. For the intellectual liberal arts curriculum its hard to argue with the traditional HYP rankings with Columbia and Dartmouth being very similar with slightly less name recognition (especially Dartmouth) Brown is unique with its laid back, customizable curriculum. Penn and Cornell are a bit more similar to “regular” Universities in that they are less rigid then HYP, and with a bit more pre-professional flair, especially with Penn having Wharton. </p>
<p>Just to illustrate my point about rankings being subject to interests and majors for Business for example it would be more like:</p>
<p>Penn (Wharton) Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, Yale, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth (the last three essentially tied)</p>
<p>wayward_trojan, you clearly haven’t spoken to my friends either. Someone I know is horrible with pure memorization to the point that he’s struggled with it his entire life. Is CAS’s curriculum a right fit for him? No. Are natural sciences or social sciences going to help a computer engineering geek that much? No. An engineering student I know got the hell out of CAS because the really broad curriculum forced him to not be able to take the specific classes that he wanted. </p>
<p>Am I saying that CAS’s liberal arts curriculum is the evil of Penn and should be avoided at all costs? No. If my first post sounded like that I apologize. But for a lot of people liberal arts education just doesn’t work. And it is true that a ton of people complain about college’s curriculum (don’t think for a minute that I’m saying people don’t complain about SEAS or Wharton).</p>
<p>Just a quick note – where I’m originally from everyone knows what UPenn is. But where I lived in the U.S. – no one knew what UPenn was except for a few. So yeah. Geography has a lot to do with the “name” recognition sometimes.</p>
<p>@IV: Penn CAS had an 8.7 percent admit rate while Cornell CAS was 18 percent, Columbia/Penn/Dartmouth/Brown are in the same league, while Cornell is significantly worse than those 4. Cornell is the worst Ivy and the bullied Ivy for a reason. Some people are so ashamed of going to Cornell that they commit suicide on campus.</p>
<p>Hey now…Cornell’s not a bad school. Its engineering program is one of the best in the Ivy League, and its CAS program isn’t bad either. It’s not a school to be ashamed of; after all, it’s a prestigious, selective school that people should be proud of attending. I doubt that Cornell suicides are caused by shame.</p>
<p>But let’s be honest…what would Penn be w/o Wharton? (Not biased at all obviously)</p>
<p>^ More people apply to Penn CAS than Penn Wharton annually. People who want to do law/medicine apply to CAS while people who want to do business apply to Wharton.</p>
<p>joking about suicide, which has also recently affected the Penn campus, is no laughing matter. You’re wildly inappropriate. You’re also inaccurate in all your numbers. For example, Penn’s admit rate this year, after accepting half its class ED and before going to its waiting list, is 12.3%. Penn chooses not to publish admit rates for its individual colleges. Given Wharton’s greater selectivity, CAS’s admit rate probably approaches or is a little higher than the overall Penn average.</p>
<p>@sdog:</p>
<p>I don’t know where you are getting these numbers from. Cornell’s overall admit rate was 18%, but that is brought up significantly by the contract schools. CAS always has an admit rate that is considerably lower than that of the overall University… and CAS will not be going to its waitlist this year (yet again). </p>
<p>I should add that Cornell does not “play the admissions game” anywhere near as much as Penn does. Penn accepts 50% of its class ED to lower its admit rate, while Cornell only accepts ~35% of its class ED. Additionally, Penn uses its waitlist every year to minimize its acceptance rate as much as possible, and micromanage every tenth of a percentage point for its admit rate; Cornell has not had to use its waitlist for 2 years now, because Cornell does not have the insecurities that some of its peer institutions have. If Cornell did engage in these tactics, the difference in admit rates between Cornell and Penn would not be small (and by any normal person’s standards, insignificant), it would be miniscule.</p>
<p>As for your comments about Cornell’s status in the Ivy League – I was skeptical of your arrogance before, and now I am just amused. Think what you want.</p>
<p>@IV: You’re so insecure about Cornell that you had to right an entire essay just to get your point across? You’re very redundant. </p>
<p>@Behappy: Penn CAS admit rate was 9% this year, College of Arts and Science students received in email which explicitly stated this, I can forward that email to you if you want. And, yeah I guess I was going too far with the suicide thing. </p>
<p>Overall RD rate was 9.5% and Overall Rate with RD/ED was 12.3%.</p>
<p>This is all very silly. All of the Ivy League schools are incredible (including Cornell!). I think the differences in “prestige” or “recruitment” etc. that people like to post here are all very exaggerated and biased. There are brilliant people at all of these schools as well as people who are not that driven or intelligent. The college admissions process is very subjective which is why it’s hard to generalize the capabilities of the student bodies of respective Ivy League schools . This is why someone might get into Dartmouth and Brown but not Cornell and Yale. In the end, it just comes down to where one will be happy. It’s not a bad thing to be generally concerned about an institution’s accomplishments (or in effect its “prestige”) but when one become’s so overly obsessed with minute differences it causes one to miss the overall picture.</p>
<p>@Behappy: Penn CAS admit rate was 9% this year, College of Arts and Science students received in email which explicitly stated this, I can forward that email to you if you want. And, yeah I guess I was going too far with the suicide thing.</p>
<p>Overall RD rate was 9.5% and Overall Rate with RD/ED was 12.3%.
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Just to clarify, 9% was the CAS RD admit rate (the email refers to that being the admit rate “this spring,” if I recall correctly). CAS’ overall admit rate is usually close to Penn’s overall admit rate, or 12.3% this year.</p>
<p>And pay attention to what Poeme has to say. There’s a lot of wisdom in her posts. :)</p>
<p>@sdog:</p>
<p>You could call it insecurity, but I would say it was more like correcting blind ignorance. Looks like I succeeded because you only managed to respond with a snide comment that did nothing to address the points I made.</p>
<p>And I agree with Poeme, insinuating that one Ivy is “better” than the other is immature. I really don’t get what you have against Cornell; your remarks about it are extremely harsh – characteristic of a pretentious high school student. </p>
<p>“Some people are so ashamed of going to Cornell that they commit suicide on campus.” – Get over yourself.</p>
<p>^ I was admitted to Cornell (Human Ecology), I have nothing against it, I’m just stating the general consensus, you need to get over your insecurity.</p>