<p>I was merely defending Cornell’s reputation, then again, I need to remind myself that this is CC, and not the real world.</p>
<p>it’s nice to know that you’re the master of the “general consensus”. It seems to me that on the CC Ivy forums, it’s primarily a few Penn posters who flame away at other schools. This reveals their own insecurity, not the merits of the other institutions.</p>
<p>@behappy7: If you weren’t insecure you wouldn’t be posting in this thread to respond to a “flamer” like me. Stop being a hypocrite.</p>
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Something you should take to heart.
That logic doesn’t work.
By that argument Penn shouldn’t even be an Ivy League school because general consensus is Penn = Penn State.
A school without the cutthroat money sucking reputation. XD
That actually hurts your argument because ED has higher acceptance rate (athletes, legacies, what have you).</p>
<p>Cornell > Penn in almost everything. I personally dislike Penn for being so divided, and not realy living up to the ‘one university’ label that it so annoyingly touts. Imo, Penn kids thinking they go to a ‘better’ Ivy, are just deluding themselves. You guys are very much on the same level as the Cornell kids. Except Cornell actually has an undivided campus that lacks a social hierarchy based on which department you’re studying in.</p>
<p>All Ivies are amazing schools, but if I had to rank them, I’d do so as follows:</p>
<p>-Harvard, Yale, Princeton (the upper-Ivies)
-Columbia (the only mid-Ivy; too good to be among the lower Ivies, but not good enough to be among the uppers)
-Dartmouth, Penn, Brown, Cornell (the lower-Ivies)</p>
<p>PS: I will be attending an HYPS this fall, so I really don’t have a bias in favour of any of these two lower Ivies.</p>
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Penn CAS had an 8.7 percent admit rate while Cornell CAS was 18 percent, Columbia/Penn/Dartmouth/Brown are in the same league, while Cornell is significantly worse than those 4. Cornell is the worst Ivy and the bullied Ivy for a reason. Some people are so ashamed of going to Cornell that they commit suicide on campus.
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<p>I could say the same about you buddy. :)</p>
<p>I guess you’ve chosen to live a life of delusion. FYI, no one outside of Penn considers it a better school than Cornell. </p>
<p>Enjoy the fake “one-university” BS, and the social hierarchy that will leave you wanting to be at just about any other school.</p>
<p>90% of Cornell students are Penn rejects.</p>
<p>That says enough.</p>
<p>Reading everything here made me realize how immature and infantile this all is. Sharei, PrincetonDreams, none of you have started attending college yet so who are you all to act like you know everything about a school? Cornell is great. Penn is great. Quality of a school is not a zero-sum game. In the end where one decides to go is based on fit. It’s pointless to get into p*ssing matches about colleges, especially when most people here have not attended the school they’re bashing or defending yet. Grow up.</p>
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<p>And 90% of Penn students are HYP rejects.</p>
<p>Fell better now?</p>
<p>I think it’s kind of interesting how people are begging to be “chanced” one day, and a few months later they act as if the college admissions process is infallible. Get over yourselves, these are all great schools (Ivy plus is a term I’ve heard to describe them), learn to think outside of the box and to let go of your preconceived delusions of absolute prestige. It will do you good in the long run. Maybe then you’ll be able to go on to do something significant rather than just become another run of the mill doctor or investment banker or corporate lawyer, your choice.</p>
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<p>I don’t disagree.</p>
<p>Doesn’t change the fact however still, as I said before, that 90% of Cornell students are Penn rejects.</p>
<p>This thread has become preposterous. Cornell is a major and important university. No one has ever committed suicide because they perceived Cornell to be a bad school. Many students turn down other Ivies to study Engineering and the hard sciences(especially Physics) at Cornell. I was personally accepted to Yale and Princeton(schools Pdreams claims are categorically better than Penn) but went to Penn(a lower ivy?!? the horror!) instead. My mom went to Princeton and she’s a housewife who has never worked a job…I think my stint at Wharton is going to pay bigger dividends. At the end of the day, we stand on our own merits. Not many people care where we went to college.</p>
<p>Pdreams: don’t waste your own time by ■■■■■■■■
underdog: you are doing Penn a disservice. please stop</p>
<p>PennTransfer, you are too much. From whence this acute sense of inferiority? Are you representative of Penn students?</p>
<p>^ From whence this acute sense of inferiority? Are you representative of Cornell students?</p>
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Both of you are wrong. Give it up.</p>
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PERSONALLY is the key word. Speaking of division that applies to just about every school.
Proof? Wait, you don’t have any.</p>
<p>IV: Just to preface, I was admitted to Cornell CAS (with a likely letter, the Tanner Dean Scholarship, no less). I was waitlisted and recently rejected from Penn CAS. I am committed to Dartmouth.</p>
<p>Of all people, I clearly should not have an inherent bias against either school in question (perhaps a bit of animosity directed at Penn for not accepting me off of the waitlist). So here is the truth, and not arbitrarily created falsities propagated by this Evangelist Cornell fan.</p>
<p>Cornell CAS does NOT have a “considerably lower” acceptance rate than Cornell as a whole. Here is the link to their admission statistics for the incoming class in Fall 2010, or otherwise the admit rates for the class of 2014 (the acceptance rates this year were virtually flat from last year’s, another Cornell exclusive):
dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000003.pdf
2,702 students were accepted for Cornell CAS out of 17,170 applicants. Since you’re all Ivy bound, I presume you’re able to do the math. That is a 15.7% acceptance rate, compared to 18.4% for the entire school. What a “considerable” dropoff. Compare this, of course, to Penn’s acceptance rate this year, which was on the cusp of single digits if not already there (I’m not too familiar with Penn’s 2011 admit rate, but I know that it was highly exclusive this year). I know there’s no reason to tout admission rates as verifiable proof of one institution’s inherent superiority over another, but at least cite accurate numbers.</p>
<p>In addition, accepting more students during the ED process actually INCREASES the acceptance rate, as early decision admission rates are ostensibly higher than regular decision rates. The only effect that accepting more students during the ED process would have on the admission rates is deflating the regular decision acceptance rate. Ultimately, though, accepting more ED students invariably increases the overall acceptance rate, not decrease it. </p>
<p>Just to conclude the dismantling of your inane rambling, going to the waitlist ALSO increases the acceptance rate as <em>gasp</em> more people are accepted! If Cornell refuses to go to the waitlist, if anything it’s an obdurate stand against raising their overall acceptance rate. And if you want to talk yield, Penn’s yield is historically higher than Cornell’s (for the class of 2014, Cornell’s yield was 48.4%, a paltry number in comparison to the other Ivies). </p>
<p>I have nothing against Cornell: it’s a great institution of higher learning, and you should be proud of being admitted to it. But there are undeniable facts about the composition of its student body and its numbers in relation to admissions. It can be supported through both statistical analysis and empirical reasoning. It’s hard to argue with the numbers or the rankings for Cornell, but I see just a massive disparity between the quality of admits into Cornell and Penn in my own experience. I think my bad luck with HYP juxtaposed by the outpouring of love I received from Cornell just about says it all (even if it’s a gross generalization based on anecdotal evidence).</p>
<p>So you conclude how selective universities are which receive over 30,000 applications [Cornell 36K, Penn 31K] by generalizing from a single case. Greater use of ED and waitlist acceptances reduce admit rates because they have 100% yields [obviously RD yields are lower]. Similarly, a more aggressive ED program raises a college’s total yield. One would also need the data for individual colleges at Penn, which is not publicly available, to make comparisons between specific schools.</p>
<p>^ From whence this acute sense of inferiority? Are you representative of Cornell students?</p>
<p>Yeah, my last paragraph was me just having a little fun 
Waitlist acceptances don’t have 100% yields. The reason the acceptance rates for Ivies generally go up following the initial statistics released immediately following D-Day is because they accept more applicants off of the waitlist. </p>
<p>As for early decision: I can see how one can construe accepting more in the early rounds of admission as a means of deflating overall acceptance rate, so I suppose my black-and-white portrayal of it is a bit off. Operating under the assumption that the same number of applicants would apply regardless of the option of early decision, accepting less during the ED round would admittedly increase the acceptance rate (as more applicants would need to be accepted in order to ensure matriculation). In terms of yield protection, though, it’s definitely not as simple as that. I suppose I overextended a bit on that one, but I’m also wary of the number he provided about Cornell’s ED results.</p>
<p>This discussion is just stupid. You can’t compare UPenn and Cornell. They’re both exceptional when it comes to academics, and equally as hard to get into! I was accepted at UPenn, Duke and Columbia and rejected at Cornell. It’s a crapshoot!</p>
<p>Ranking Ivies? Could you be more immature? Fact: more people in my country actually know about Cornell than “Y” and “P” because of its phenomenal Engineering programs. </p>
<p>Usually, students accepted to Ivies go wherever they fit best, not because they were rejected from one and must attend the other as a consolation! Grow up.</p>