<p>@kidzncatz:</p>
<p>Keep in mind DivII (which has lower academic requirements than DivI) and NAIA schools as well. </p>
<p>@MiamiDAP:
“Cannot have it afte our k -12, they are not prepared for college currently, period, none of them, not even from the best HS”</p>
<p>Not true, in my experience. You can get a stellar education from the very best public high schools in this country (they do tend to be magnets, though). Obviously some of the private ones, as well. Furthermore, most people have a community college nearby which their kids can take classes in the summers at. It is the case, I agree, that even those high schools that are considered above average pale in comparison to the standard university-track high schools in say, the Netherlands.</p>
<p>Hmm. <a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_Netherlands:”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_Netherlands:</a>
“The mathematics classes focus on statistics and stochastics.”
Those are the math classes for the Dutch high schoolers who choose the “culture and society” and “economy and society” streams.</p>
<p>Very practical, the Dutch.</p>
<p>@warbrain:</p>
<p>With programming, you can definitely learn your skills online (math as well). With engineering, no.</p>
<p>@lookingforward:</p>
<p>Oh, I definitely believe in the value of a well-rounded education. However, if the only skills your major gives you are critical thinking, reading, and writing skills (skills that I believe should be picked up in high school or at the very latest through the general education part of your college education or your major), then that’s a waste of a major (and money). </p>
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<p>The more likely reason is that effective self-education takes a good deal more motivation than becoming educated with the help of instructors and some curriculum structure to guide the student to learn what is important. So effectively self-educated people (in CS and many other subjects) will be relatively uncommon compared to more traditionally educated people in those same subjects, even if the external barriers to self-education are low.</p>
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<p>Not all schools consider breadth knowledge important. Brown and Amherst are examples of the opposite approach.</p>
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<p>However, it does look like the school system there tracks students at age 12, and that changing to a different track later may result in loss of a year or two to “catch up” in the new track. That seems to be the trade-off for being able to optimize the middle and high school years for particular post-high-school destinations.</p>
<p>Brown considers breadth important- no question about that, right?</p>
<p>Ucb, I have to think about the self-ed aspect as you put it. I’ve seen the impact of lib arts education on art student work. Same, of course, for professionals. And I consider engineers, at least many I knew (working in tech,) to be curious about all sorts of knowledge, an interesting lot. At least as adults. </p>
<p>PT, as it stands, hs kids are too busy learning what’s already on the agenda. It’s rare to find a curriculum that can fit depth and breath. </p>
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<p>No. Brown does not have any general education or breadth requirements beyond a writing requirement.</p>
<p>Brown looks for kids willing to use the Open Curriculum,not simply focus in their majors or the few subjects very closely related.</p>
<p>“How much responsibility do parents have for helping pay for college?”</p>
<p>None.</p>
<p>The right question is, “What is the right approach to paying for college in each family?”</p>
<p>Most students upon graduating high school are 18 or nearly so. They’re adults. If an adult’s parents wish to contribute to his college costs, that is generous of the parents, but it isn’t required, it isn’t necessary, it isn’t an obligation. If the young adult wants a college education and parents are unwilling/unable to pay, the young adult will need to find his own way.</p>
<p>That being said, although we have no responsibility to do so, we’re paying that part of our sons’ college costs not covered by financial aid and their expected summer and term-time work requirements.</p>
<p>Once admitted, Brown does not assure that any student gets a well rounded education, even if some students do.</p>
<p>(Of course, in practice, it is often the case that “not well rounded” students are H/SS majors who avoid math and science courses, or look for the “physics for poets” type of courses at schools that offer them.)</p>
<p>Titan says “Keep in mind DivII (which has lower academic requirements than DivI) and NAIA schools as well.”</p>
<p>You are misinterpreting this. The schools, Div 1, 2, 3 or Q, can admit anyone they like, with no GPA or low test school or the inability to speak English. They can set any rules they like (although if they take federal funds, there are some restrictions). Harvard can admit all the 2.0/16 ACT score students it wants to.</p>
<p>If a school is a member of the NCAA, it has agreed not to allow athletes who do not meet certain criteria for admissions to participate in athletics or to receive athletic department funds. The school can still admit the student, the student just can’t play.</p>
<p>Div 2 athletes aren’t dummies and the vast majority have gpa/scores well over the minimum required by the NCAA. Div 2 is not second choice. My daughter’s going to a Div 2 school and the requirements to be admitted to the school are much higher than the NCAA’s. At a big Div 1 school, it is easier to admit a few athletes at the minimum level than it is at a smaller D-2 school. At my daughter’s school (an engineering school) there are no easy majors; there just aren’t enough classes offered for a fluff major.</p>
<p>Some NCAA D1 schools’ non-athletic admission requirements are not appreciably higher than the NCAA D1 minimums. Indeed, Ole Miss and MS State have the NCAA D1 minimums as an option for automatic admission, so they have no need to offer special (lower) admissions standards to recruited athletes.
<a href=“http://admissions.olemiss.edu/applying-to-ole-miss/freshmen/”>http://admissions.olemiss.edu/applying-to-ole-miss/freshmen/</a>
<a href=“http://admissions.msstate.edu/freshman/requirements.php#full”>http://admissions.msstate.edu/freshman/requirements.php#full</a></p>
<p>@twoinanddone: if the person I replied to is hoping that her son will meet NCAA requirements, then it’s safe to assume that she cares about her son getting a scholarship, not just being admitted, no?</p>
<p>Did I say that DivII schools are full of dummies? No. Is it safe to assume that the academic requirements I was referring to were the requirements for receiving an athletic scholarship? It would seem pretty obvious to me. I also didn’t think it was a bold assumption that people on this forum would understand that different schools have different admission standards even if they are on the same NCAA tier. So what am I misinterpreting? </p>
<p>My parents don’t believe in the “once you’re 18 you’re an adult” thing. This is pretty common in Hispanic cultures, since in Latin America everyone commutes to college (no dorms) and traditionally you don’t move out till you get married. I’m moving away for college, but there’s still some restrictions. It’s a bit annoying to not be as independent as I could be, but the support (both financial & emotional) is a blessing. They believe they’re fully responsible for my education, but I know they’re not. They go as far as asking me to not do work study, but it’d be irresponsible/selfish on my part to agree to that.</p>
<p>^ The horror in their faces when I tell them stories of parents who can’t wait till their kids are 18 to give them the boot…Pretty tough for them to wrap their heads around.</p>
<p>Thx for updating this post and confirming the link to NPR.</p>
<p>The athletic divisions overlap in requirements and vary from school to school and also the sport. A D3 or D2 school that has a great program in a sport might require a prospect to be a better athlete than many D1s. And so it goes with other requirements and attributes. You have to look at each school individually.</p>
<p>Re: “They go as far as asking me to not do work study.”
We asked DS to not do work study as well. Compared to the COA at a private college, the money earned by doing work study would be a very small fraction of the COA. It does not make much difference whether he did work study or not.</p>
<p>We also partially paid for his grad school (not a MS/PhD program.) It costs more than his UG does and we are poorer now than when he was an UG. (That is the reason why he still does not have a car today.) We can afford to pay about one third of COA for him now and his student loan debts start to pile up.</p>
<p>We believe that: “once you have a job and get married, you are out.” He has been working hard on both now :)</p>
<p>@mcat2 Yup, it also seems like privates hand out a smaller work study amount than publics (I only got about $1k).</p>
<p>"We also partially paid for his grad school (not a MS/PhD program.) It costs more than his UG does and we are poorer now than when he was an UG. (That is the reason why he still does not have a car today.) "</p>
<p>Each parent is entitled to their own type of support, but I’ve always admired/been grateful for these type of sacrifices from my own. I hope to treat my kids the same, to have their backs as long as I can afford it.</p>
<p>"We believe that: “once you have a job and get married, you are out.” "</p>
<p>Same for my parents lol</p>