How to Deal with Parent's Confusion

<p>Because most of the posters on her are parents, I thought this would be a great place for me to ask.</p>

<p>My father and step-mother were really against me being a music major and stuff, but in the past few months, my dad has really come around and been super proud of me. He's so excited, he sees how much effort you have to put in, and he has been wow-ed at all my auditions. </p>

<p>My mom is not getting it so well. She's been telling people that I am not going to a college, just a conservatory - and SUNY Purchase is quite a good college, even without the music major aspect! All of her nieces and nephews have all bee valedictorians and gone on to schools like Washington University, University of Chicogo, University of Dayton, and they all have boring jobs and boring degrees, and frankly, I don't think they scream, "I am successful!" And now I actualy have to potential to have something MORE than an office job, do something amazing and perform, and it's like I'm some disappointment.</p>

<p>I've tried explaining it to her, but she's like, "So, most of your classes are going to be music?" and I said yes, so she said, "So you're not continuing your education. You're not going to leanr normal stuff, it's just like voice lessons all the time."</p>

<p>I'm not mad at her or anything, and she's not trying to be mean, she just really doesn't understand, and it's hurting my feelings. It's like she's embarassed about me - while all my aunts and uncles are bragging about their kids, she doesn't say anything because she says it's not nice to brag. But it makes me feel like she doesn't care about me.</p>

<p>Have you shown her the curriculum for a music major? Just voice lessons and stuff? ha ha! You’ll likely be taking 18 or more credits per semester, have VERY little free time, and probably have to take core academics as well. </p>

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<p>Sopranorose…</p>

<p>“Don’t go to an empty well for water.”</p>

<p>Just be polite and patient. One day, someone who your step mom admires will point out to her how accomplished you are, and she will finally “get it”. My H’s family doesnt think a girl has really accomplished anything, unless she is shaking her pompoms and dating the quarterback. D just smiles and nods and on the drive home we all have a good laugh. You have your dads admiration and support----savor it! And do not let her hurt your feelings. You cannot control her point of view, but you can control your response.</p>

<p>ps…I would wish you good luck, but instead I will wish you hard work. The harder you work, the luckier you will get.</p>

<p>Sopranorose, knowing what you’ve written, I find it even more impressive that you’ve had the success you’ve had–I think most high school seniors applying to music school have some help through the process from at least one parent. I’m glad your father has come around and is supportive. For some of us, it takes awhile to come to acceptance of a music major for our children–me included. It seems frivolous to some to concentrate on the arts, until you hear things like the above statistics. If you DO choose Purchase, you do have the opportunity to also take advantage of the liberal arts offerings, and the idea of that may make your Mom feel more secure. She is probably nervous on your behalf, and doesn’t understand that there is both a need and a place for professionals in the arts. Can your dad help you talk to her?</p>

<p>By the way. A few weeks ago we hosted a dinner with 6 of D’s VP grad student friends to celebrate one of the boys great achievements. We chatted about parental support. You would be surprised how common your step moms initial reaction really is. It did not hold any of these talented students back. In point of fact, I think some were stronger for it(like you!).</p>

<p>Sopranorose, I’m sorry that you are going through this. You seem like such an intelligent, articulate, and wonderful young woman. I’m glad your dad is coming around-- I am sure he must be extremely proud of you. I think that parents sometimes express their anxiety over unfamiliar courses of action as negativity, but that does not mean that your mom won’t eventually come to see the value of the path you have chosen to pursue. One of my kids is in art school, working harder than she has ever worked in her life, and my FIL had nothing to say about her studies except to ask if she was planning to have any actual education in college. I know he said that just to provoke a reaction, but his words were hurtful to her.</p>

<p>Thanks for your advice/opinions. I’m not entirely sure I got through to her, but I’ve decided to just step back and let the pieces fall wherever. I know that I can be successful, so I can’t worry about trying to change other people’s minds.</p>

<p>It’s just that little child inside of you always wants your parents to be proud of you, right? And my dad and I are very close and I know he is telling everyone and everybody all about me and what I’m doing, so I am more than happy about that.</p>

<p>You GO, girl! Follow your heart and everything will work out, for YOU, and YOU are the only thing that matters, not?</p>

<p>I hear what you’re saying about wanting a parent’s approval. </p>

<p>When my son decided on Belmont University, my mom replied to my email with, “I can’t say I’m not disappointed that he’s going to small school in a town that only cares about country western music. I wanted him to have opportunities” or something to that effect.</p>

<p>Mom, you know nothing about Belmont. They have 39 full time faculty and 66 adjunct in the School of Music. There was nothing “country western” about the songs he prepared for his audition.</p>

<p>Sopranorose, there really is a deep spot inside of us that wants to hear “Good Job” from our parents. I’m glad your dad is coming around. Your mom may or may not. You will be more empathetic with others because of your experience. {{hug}}</p>

<p>And we’re proud of you here on College Confidential!</p>

<p>Sopranorose, I can totally relate to this. Whether or not he’s happy with it, my dad has pretty much accepted that I’m going the music route. He even “gets it” to a certain extend. That, however, is not the case with my mom. She’s very cold and distant about my plans and goals. She doesn’t want to hear about them , let alone become involved with them. It took a lot of effort just to convince my parents to let me take private lessons last year. Summer camps/festivals were totally out of the question, as were extracurricular orchestras, other ensembles, longer-distance college visits, and sample lessons. I guess I shouldn’t expect these things though (I get that they are expensive and time consuming for parents). I just wish they had considered them.</p>

<p>All that said, though, they have paid for my lessons for the past year and a half. My mom has driven me to marching band daily for the past 4 summers, and they do attend my concerts. They paid my audition fees this year and took me to my auditions. For all of this, I am very grateful. Without this cooperation, I don’t think I would be able to go into music at all. </p>

<p>It’s just that sometimes cooperation doesn’t feel like enough. Maybe it’s immature and ungrateful, but I could use a bit of support. MaryTN is so right, deep down inside, we all want that “Good Job” from our parents. </p>

<p>So, yeah, Sopranorose, I get it :slight_smile: It’s tough, but you seem to be handling it really well. I admire you for that. I thought I’d tell you that something that helps me with the situation is having teachers and friends who give me a ton of support and who are proud of me. I hope you have people like that. I don’t know what I’d do with out them. </p>

<p>And to all of you incredible parents on here who are so involved with your kids goals, you guys are AMAZING. Thank you for supporting the art of music. Without parents like you, I don’t think there would be nearly as many musicians following their dreams. You guys rock.</p>

<p>Rose - I’m glad you’re getting such good support here, but…
All stories have two sides, and there was something in your post that I thought might go to the root of the problem:
“and they all have boring jobs and boring degrees, and frankly, I don’t think they scream, “I am successful!” And now I actualy have to potential to have something MORE than an office job, do something amazing and perform”</p>

<p>There is a phrase - “Judge not lest ye be judged”. Maybe you guys need to work on some middle ground. </p>

<p>I’m glad that your dad has come around, and it sounds like you’ve gotten quite a bit of support with transportation to auditions, application fees, etc. Maybe its not as bad as it seems. </p>

<p>Just another angle for you to think about. Good luck.</p>

<p>BeezMom: I didn’t mean to insult anyone who has an office job or judge anyone!</p>

<p>It’s just that everyone in my family has the typical office job and all they do is complain about it, and complain about it, and complain about it some more-- and then my mom asks me why I’m not going into a 'stable, well-paying office job." Well, maybe because she’s been complaining about it for the last 15 years!</p>

<p>I just don’t think it’s fair for her to tell me I’m not going to be successful with a music degree, because she’s not all that successful with her education degree either. Like I said, all she does is complain about her career, so I thought she would be a little happy that I’m doing something different.</p>

<p>Thanks Marge and Mary. And Rach, I understand. My parents drive me around and do all that stuff to, and I am extremely grateful for that. :-)</p>

<p>Rose, you are doing what’s right for you and following your heart. My daughter’s father does not approve of her attending conservatory and has cut her out of his life altogether. He doesn’t want to understand and has never even seen her perform- his loss. She is happy and on the Dean’s List and taking soooo much more than just “music lessons”!
Good luck to you!</p>

<p>Rose -
I didn’t take offense at all - I was just trying to put another perspective on the issue, that might perhaps help smooth things over at home. </p>

<p>Believe me, I understand the different worlds between Business degrees, Academia, and Arts because we have them all in our family. My brother wanted to go to a music conservatory, and my mother wouldn’t support it because he wouldn’t do a dual major between performance and Education. He wound up going to a larger university and is now a lawyer, and not particularly happy. So when my daughter showed musical talent, I supported her completely, and made sure that she knew we supported a performance path. Ha - she fooled us, and has decided that she really, really wants to teach. Our kids often surprise us, and maybe your StepMom is still in shock. By the way, my D is going to the school my brother wanted to go to. Life is funny that way!</p>

<p>I am a parent of TWO musicians! I “get” what you are saying. As it happens, I fully understand and respect those who have the talent, drive, and desire to go into music…but I think this story points out the need to help the general public discover that they ought to appreciate educated, talented musicians. We need music and art (of all varieties and styles) in our world for a multitude of reasons. In some countries, the government supports the arts much better. General knowledge level of the public, publicity, money, all these things contribute to the situation.</p>

<p>A funny story. Music “stars” like Britney Spears make millions though they are uneducated and appeal to mostly lowbrow tastes of the public. THEN, there is a development that gives us a bit of hope: do you remember this? -an Australian audience was furious some months ago after paying to see Britney Spears perform in concert and she was lip-synching. This got a LOT of publicity. The newspaper quote I saved from an audience member was: “I want my money back or I want her to sing properly,” she (a 22 year old) told the Daily Telegraph of London. “The ticket cost me $200 and she lip-synched the whole thing.”</p>

<p>It is difficult for others to understand that you are not closing any doors by majoring in music - none. If you have a different dream one day, there is nothing to stop you from pursuing it, even if it involves taking a few more classes here and there. How many people do you know who are working in an area that relates directly to their major? A music degree is a degree, with the same weight and meaning as any other degree. I am a lawyer and a headhunter for lawyers and there are a few lawyers whom I have placed over the years who have stood out well beyond others. One was a theater major who had been an actor and then returned to law school. The other had her BM and MM in music, performed for a while and then went to law school. They are very successful and like what they do because they chose it rather than doing it because they didn’t know what else to do. My dermatological surgeon has his degree in piano performance and still plays. Those who have been around hiring for more than a minute know that music majors are smart, poised, hard working, organized and disciplined. Don’t let anyone tell you they don’t stand out. I’m happy to tell anyone that.</p>

<p>I think the problem is that many people focus on being ‘practical’, on the kind of jobs that bring a steady income (or more), their idea of successful is seeing the person in the big house with the fancy car and so forth, and forget about passion. I obviously understand why, especially with music that has such a tough path, why there is concern, but what bothers me is the idea that following a passion or a dream is wrong because it doesn’t bring in the big bucks or the like. Thoreau once wrote that most men lead lives of quiet desperation, and he was right then and even more so today. People see the outward trappings of success but don’t bother to think about the other side, the cost of it. They see the great income,etc, of being an investment banker but don’t see (or want to see), the burn out rate, the drug use, and the toll it takes on the family member. People also think that the money will make up for the boredom or dissatisfaction of doing something they don’t want to do and that is a complete falsehood (money is never a positive, at best it is a neural, when it comes to jobs, no amount of money can make a job you hate one you love)</p>

<p>The other thing they miss is the kind of rigor that musical training gives you, the equate studying music with being some sort of untalented type of rock star or pop star. They don’t see the discipline, they don’t see the incredible amount of learning it takes, in things like music theory and ear training, and most of them have never met working musicians who have gone through formal training, many of whom do a lot more learning then most so called educated people do. (I work in the financial industry on the tech side, but also have dealt a lot with traders and investment bankers, and want to know something? I have met a lot of music students and working professionals, and most of them have intellectual curiousity and a wide range of knowledge; meanwhile, I meet a lot of kids coming out with degrees in business (including from the top business schools), or finance or accounting or whatnot, and frankly they not only know very little about anything but ‘business’, they don’t care to). People see music training as insular, kind of like being a musician cuts you off from anything ‘practical’. </p>

<p>And Soprano is right, people sit and complain and moan about their jobs, about working for corporate America, in ‘boring office jobs’ which is how most people describe their jobs (a recent poll said only 45% of Americans are happy or fulfilled by their jobs, a new low), but then hold that up as an ideal position…while they themselves are bored out of their minds with their jobs, it is a fundamental contradiction, and mostly it is because the view is that suffering and making a lot of money is better then doing what you have a passion for that can be financially tricky…</p>

<p>The other problem is the view that somehow music cuts you off from other possible fields, they have this idea that college is a trade school, where you have to learn something ‘practical’ to get a job out there. They ignore the fact, of course,that many people end up working in fields they didn’t train for, engineers end up as non technical management, mathematicians end up as CPA’s, someone who majored in Ancient Greek can end up a systems programmer, happens all the time. One of the things that people forget, like your mom, is that college in theory is supposed to be about learning to learn, it isn’t supposed to be like a vocational training school. In music, you have to learn a lot, with a discipline I feel very few ‘academic’ fields can match in terms of requirements. </p>

<p>Maybe you should show her what it means to train as a musician, the work, the ear training and theory, and so forth, or better yet, introduce her to music students, I suspect she will be surprised by how well spoken many of them are. Quite frankly, people hear music and they think of nitwits like Brittany Spears or the latest batch of pop tarts and pretty boys they see in entertainment programs, and don’t see the real geniuses, the ones who, for example produce or engineer the music (many of whom trained in college music programs), or how bright many musicians are. I am amazed when I talk to the kids my son is with, who for the most part aren’t even in college, or early college, and what they know and the way they talk, they are not average for the most part, and in getting to know both college level and professional musicians more and more, they easily are equal to the people I work with, who are a group of well trained and really bright people. </p>

<p>In the end, though, I think it is just going to be a matter of time with your mom. A lot of that is probably that she loves you and wants you to have a good life, and maybe not repeat her mistakes (from the post, it sounds like she is not happy with what she does),and sees only the negatives of music without realizing the positive. All you can do is go ahead and find your passion, and eventually I suspect she will see the difference in the way you are as a person. And if she still thinks a practical education is the only way to go, remind her that Bernie Madoff and Ken Lay had ‘practical’ educations, and look what they did…:).</p>

<p>Hey, my music kid is the only one of his friends with a summer job (well paid too :)) already all lined up! </p>

<p>Don’t let the naysayers talk you down! It takes a lot of strength to pursue your passion when not well supported. I can’t even imagine, so hats off to you, Soprano. Knock 'em dead next year!</p>

<p>musicprnt, that was very well said. Thank you. School boards need to read your post.</p>

<p>Sopranomom-
They certainly have heard enough from me , I tend to speak up on the need for arts education in schools, that it isn’t a frill. Unfortunately, we seem destined to create an education system designed around producing kids who do spectacularly on standardizes tests (that in fact measure very little; kids in Singapore score very high on standardized math and science tests they use to judge kids internationally, but aren’t exactly known for producing innovation or nobel and field prizes). Schools are bad enough, but the parents are even worse, parents will yell to hell to cut funding for arts programs, gifted and talented programs, arguing they cost too much, are frills, etc, but then will vote to float a 500,000 bond to redo the football field in field turf, and will scream bloody murder if someone wants to cut sports programs (ironically, they argue that sports is a lot more then just training athletes, that it builds character, teamwork, etc…but music is a frill <em>gag</em>). </p>

<p>I think people have to go into music with eyes wide open, and if they don’t have the passion for it they shouldn’t be doing it IMO (if I thought my son didn’t have the passion, if he was doing what he did up until several years ago, I would be discouraging him from going into music), but I also find judging jobs by practicality is self defeating. I see the result of too many people who went into fields because their parents told them to and they were/are miserable people. There are certain exceptions, parents who would turn blue about a kid wanting to go into music might if they had a child who was athletically talented in sports like baseball, basketball or football would encourage them to play in college, even though the odds of making it in pro sports is minimal (yes, kids use athletic scholarships to be able to get a good education, but frankly when you play division I NCAA sports, that is an exception, not the rule in most programs), but that of course is okay because if they make it pro athletes make a lot of money…</p>