How tough is it for international students to get into COE/U-M?

I know for a fact that only 200+ international undergraduate students (4% of total enrolment) enrolled in UM last year. Number is obviously lesser for the COE.

While COE has a total of 700+ international undergraduate students, a number of them do the SJTU Dual Degree programme where they do 2 years in SJTU and 2 years in UM so essentially COE only brings in a 100 or so international undergraduate students from Year 1.

Anyone knows what are the admission statistics like for international students getting into COE or U-M?

Thank you so much!

The freshmen class is only around 1300. So 100 international students is not a small percentage.

The 200 figure is misleading. Michigan enrolls roughly 2,000 undergraduate international students at any point in time. Each Freshmen class will have 260-280. It is important to note that this does not include many international students who have US citizenship or permanent resident status.

As for international students getting into Michigan, it is very difficult. Fewer than 15% of international applicants are admitted. Grades are expected to be in the 3.8+ range (AAA+ predictions for British curriculum applicants, 14+/20 average or higher for French curriculum applicants and 38+/42 for IB applicants). SAT/ACT scores should be greater than 1950/30. Those are minimums mind you. Even students with credentials that exceed those are more likely to be rejected than admitted. Demonstrating interest (by visiting campus, applying EA and writing excellent supplements) can only help.

@billcsho Most definitely. The diversity is definitely good. And will increase along the way. But I’m more concerned with the fact that they get 100 to enroll out of how many international students who applied :slight_smile:

@Alexandre Yeah I read those figures. But since I’m looking at freshman instead of transfer I would be looking at people one of the 260 - 280 people to enroll. And it does really seem like tough. Although for such a top-notch college and competitive admission process, I was actually expecting the numbers for OOS and International to reach more competitive numbers like below 10%, but I may be mistaken.

In all honesty, the COE is accepting student numbers from OOS and Internationally very close to the likes of MIT and Stanford and I don’t see why it doesn’t and can’t attract more and better students.

“But I’m more concerned with the fact that they get 100 to enroll out of how many international students who applied”

Michigan must contend with other, equally formidable universities, such as Berkeley, CMU, Columbia, Cornell, Georgia Tech, Northwestern, UIUC etc…to say nothing of MIT and Stanford.

“Although for such a top-notch college and competitive admission process, I was actually expecting the numbers for OOS and International to reach more competitive numbers like below 10%, but I may be mistaken.”

I said fewer than 15%. It could well be under 10%, but there are many competitive universities with admit rates over 10%, including Cornell and Northwestern, both of which have admit rates that hover around 12-14%…

" Although for such a top-notch college and competitive admission process, I was actually expecting the numbers for OOS and International to reach more competitive numbers like below 10%, but I may be "

Does it really matter JonathonTan?

While its often controversial to compare with MIT and Stanford, I do think that UM is top 3 in my major (Mech E Design), together with MIT and Stanford. And there are some special things about UM that is very tough to beat. Like its school spirit and interdisciplinary culture. While the other parts like courses, alumni connection, recruiting and entrepreneurship culture are largely very competitive, no other schools can actually come close to it. I would say Berkeley is probably comparable to UM, but with the world continually progressing towards revolutionising the automotive industry (and Tesla epicly screwing up its large scale manufacturing and autopilot features), UM will continue to be well-positioned today. And UM’s focus on life sciences can be an important move, given the concerns of quality of life and longevity with our generation.

@rjkofnovi May not necessarily be, but I would like to see UM continue to attract the best people and accept the best people in-state, out-of-state and internationally. And to continue its rise in recent years to grow its endowment, invest in relevant and important areas so as to make the world a better place.

I believe that Michigan Engineering fits all the criteria you are describing currently.

UMich admission is not by major. Although most of the engineering programs are within top 10 in the US, the overall rank is still quite a bit lower than MIT or Stanford. The admission competition is going in that direction but it may not reach the same level unless something changed, for instance, meeting the need of OOS students.

@billcsho So you are saying that the high admission rate is due to the “low yield” in comparison to MIT/ Stanford? Which is caused by the lack of financial aid provided, leading to a huge proportion of top calibre students choosing to attend other colleges which offer better financial aid packages?

Its not very nice to hear people using UM as a safety school and talking about how easy it’s going to be to get into UM with its 30% admissions rate, without further analysis. I think more can/ should be done in this regard.

The yield rate and FA are the key factors. However, the yield rate is going up due to reputation and the financial aids to OOS will continue to improve in the next few years. The endowment is going up. With the increasing applicant pool size, the admission rate has to go down or the over enrollment last year will appear again.
No one from OOS can claim UMich as safety. It would be hard even for in state students. Even perfect score and GPA can only be low match.

@billcsho I certainly am of the view that the reputation of UM has grown significantly over the past decade. (Which also brings me back to the case of, what was UM like 10 - 50 years ago? If all of you can enlighten me it would be great. With regard to the fact that if UM’s reputation wasn’t that strong without Ross, Larry Page, Tony Fadell, Dick Costolo, Centre of Entrepreneurship in the COE, what helped it to attract people who would go on to serve in top positions in govrrnment, engineering, banking and management consulting firms of today?)

Definitely with the Victors for Michigan campaign, we are doing very well in this regard with 1B to meet the financial needs of qualified students. The HAIL scholarship makes it even better. I wouldn’t dare wish that as an international student, I would be considered any time soon though. I would love to see the push for Larry Page to donate just before the 2017 though, and getting the COE renamed. That would serve the impact Ross had. Although I would say last year’s method of deferring more students from EA and placing more students on the waitlist (while looking for demonstrated interests like sending a letter to update UM) was a good way to do it. Albeit stressful for applicants. But then again, those who don’t write in probably would have gotten a place REA Stanford or EA MIT and many of those other schools they consider to be a better choice, so it could in fact have contributed to the drop in acceptance rate to 27%.

I would concur with that view. But as with all reputation matters, always helps to have positive opinions, in and out of UM and the academic arena. I like what the President mentioned about how the partying scene can potrntially bring down the academic reputation of this fine institution. Having a good reputation is not just for academic reasons like grad school or getting your first job or having good alumni connections. Having a good reputation can bring the quality of the degree of all alumni, current and future students to another level, allowing them to make connections and pursue their goals in various locations and fields around the world, even without an alumni connection. With 540,000 living alumni pushing the boundaries on over a hundred countries worldwide, this recognition can prove to be a very significant concept in due course.

Just one thing. They always put a lot of student on wait list while admission from wait list is sporadic and very low this year. They defer more student mainly because of the lower admission rate and larger applicant pool. The actual number admitted in EA is not much lower than previous year.