<p>How many people apply?
How many people get in?</p>
<p>Is sounds like it would be much smaller than the HPME program because they are guaranteeing an engineer admissions to the top business program in the country straight from high school.</p>
<p>I only knew one girl in it when I was at NU and she turned down Stanford for it.</p>
<p>What a dummy.</p>
<p>chibearfan17,</p>
<p>How does that make her a "dummy"? It'd be nice if you can refrain from acting immature. FYI, she's pretty smart and humble.</p>
<p>The Honors Program in Engineering and Management at Northwestern University does not admit you into the Kellogg school of business for an MBA program. I, myself, was originally confused concerning what exactly this program entailed. However, this program (once accepted) allows for you to complete a BS in engineering as well as a "co-op certificate" (notice: this is not an MBA in any shape or form). You are allowed to take some management courses at Kellogg, as well as required work experience with principles of the Kellogg school, however please be advised that this program is NOT a BS-MBA program.</p>
<p>I have attached a link to the program's webpage:</p>
<p>It was a joke, sammy my friend. I was being the typical CC'er who thinks anyone would be ridiculous to turn down stanford for a "lesser school" like NW. Sorry if my sarcasm isn't appreciated. Stanford does have sweeeeeet engineering though. I'd be interested to know her reasons.</p>
<p>lazboardz: im not sure what you mean. it says in the link that you provided: "deferred admission to the master of management program at the Kellogg Graduate School of Management, one of the most prestigious - and competitive - management schools in the nation" .. also on the application sheet it says BS-MBA</p>
<p>Were you/are you in the program Lazboardz? Cause I'm reading the site/app and I'm getting the same as ^.</p>
<p>First, yes you do get deffered admission to Kellogg, however it is not for a MBA (Masters in Business Administration) Program. Hopeful4cornell, you even quoted this directly from the website yourself: It is admission for a MM (Masters in Management) Program. This program is extremely different from an MBA program. You only take courses in management through this program instead of accounting, finance, applied economics, etc. like in an MBA. The application form has that notation on it because this program provides you some study with matriculated MBA students as well as a "co-op certificate" that may help you get into an MBA program in the future. Notice how the passage that you quoted also says:</p>
<p>"During this time, students will also work with principals of the Kellogg School to assure that they are acquiring experience appropriate to their FUTURE MBA work."</p>
<p>In addition the passage states:</p>
<p>"At the end of this period, McCormick will award you a bachelor's degree in your chosen field of engineering and a co-op certificate."</p>
<p>There is no MBA awarded. In addition I had wanted to apply for one of the honors programs at Northwestern as a transfer student last semester (I currently am a Junior), however one may only apply as a freshman. However, this led me to phone conversations with this program's dean. The only program that award a pre-professional degree is the Honors Program in Engineering and Law. So if you are looking for a JD, this is a great route, however, rest assured that if accepted to HPEM you will not recieve an MBA, the dean assured me that.</p>
<p>In addition, take a look from the school's perspective: The average age for admission into Kellogg's MBA program is about 27. Also, the most important factor in admissions decisions to an MBA is work experience and internships in the field of business. As a high school student, the most work experience one could have is working at the local grocery store. (Part-time retail does not really hold much weight in any job market or academia.) Also, at 27 years of age, the average student has 10 more years of life experience than you do (many up to 30-40 years more). This makes it impossibly hard for a school to admit someone to an MBA program if they have had no professional experience that will help to demonstrate whether an individual shows promise for succeeding professionally.</p>
<p>So, if you want to pursue an MBA in your lifetime, good luck to you. However, you are NOT going to find deferred acceptance to a Top 10 program straight out of high school. Do your best in undergrad, then and only then you may find those doors will be opened.</p>
<p>Ok, thanks for the clear up. The actual application is is misleading then. I also that it was strange for a school to defer admission to a top business school out of high school, where work experience is the key to being a successful MBA applicant.</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/news/hits/000731bw.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/news/hits/000731bw.htm</a>, Kellogg changed the degree from Master of Management to MBA for the class of 2001. It seems to me MM means MBA on <a href="http://www.mccormick.northwestern.edu/prospective/honorscombinedprograms.html#HPEM%5B/url%5D">http://www.mccormick.northwestern.edu/prospective/honorscombinedprograms.html#HPEM</a>, with an outdated term being used.</p>
<p>lazboardz,
The coop certificate is available to anyone to pursue in McCormick. There's nothing "honorable" about it (well, you do need to do reasonable well in the co-op interview just like any other job interviews). Of course, given 6 quarters of co-op are required to obtain the certificate, it will be very difficult for a transfer like you to obtain it. You pretty much have to start your first co-op quarter in the summer right after your freshman year. The co-op requirement by the "Honors" program was meant to force you to have 1.5 years of experience under the belt once you graduated with the BS. With addition 2 years of work experience, you will have at least 3.5 years of professional experience prior to entering Kellogg. That's not much shorter than 4-5 years of experience normally expected from top MBA programs. </p>
<p>I wonder if the dean himself was mistaken. It's hard to believe but it's possible. </p>
<p>hopeful4cornell,
You should call the school directly to clear this up.</p>
<p>chibearfan17,
You are not following the thread. The girl turned down Stanford because of the almost guaranteed admission to Kellogg (assuming MM does mean MBA). It's just like HPME.</p>
<p>Sam Lee, yeah my source is coming directly from the dean (who I talked to about 3 months ago). So if you are saying that I am wrong, you are also saying the the dean of the program is wrong. I think that the dean knows what his own program is about. If for any reason the dean was, as you said, "mistaken," that would be a scary day for all of academia, and that dean should be fired for not knowing about his job. So, Sam Lee, it is hard believe your 3rd hand information when I talked directly 1st hand to the dean.</p>
<p>Well, if you look at Kellogg's website, there's no such program called "Master of Management". There are MBA, MMM (Master of Managment and Manufacturing which is MBA+MS in engineering), and PhD program. Also when I talked to the girl that I knew when I was at NU (that's like 1998), she had deferred admission to Kellogg's MBA. We had a conversation about it and that's the reason she turned down Stanford. I suggest someone to call Kellogg's dean also.</p>
<p>If anyone still has any doubt, call Joseph Holtgreive, the assistant dean, at the number given at the bottom of that application form. I think if any one enrolled in it found that it's not MBA, he/she can sue the school using this form as evidence. ;)</p>
<p>Did they take this program down as I cannot find iy anywhere on the site anymore</p>
<p>Looks like they did.</p>
<p>It is impossible to get into Kellogg during undergraduate no matter what honors porgram somebody is part of. Kellogg is in no shape or form a school in which non grad students can get a degeree from. The closest thing to it would be taking classes there. Many of my econ calsses are held with profs who also teach through Kellogg, but there is no such degree, masters or otherwise, that incoming students automatically are a part of.</p>
<p>Insane8914,</p>
<p>You may want to check out the following:
1. industrial engineering and science
<a href="http://www.ugadm.northwestern.edu/pdf/meas/IEMS.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.ugadm.northwestern.edu/pdf/meas/IEMS.pdf</a>
2. Business Basics Certificate
<a href="http://www.mccormick.northwestern.edu/undergraduate/businessbasics.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.mccormick.northwestern.edu/undergraduate/businessbasics.html</a>
3. Mathematical Methods in Social Sciences
<a href="http://www.ugadm.northwestern.edu/pdf/wcas/MMSS.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.ugadm.northwestern.edu/pdf/wcas/MMSS.pdf</a>
4. Econ
<a href="http://www.ugadm.northwestern.edu/pdf/wcas/Economics.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.ugadm.northwestern.edu/pdf/wcas/Economics.pdf</a></p>
<p>Thanks for the list. I was actually kinda interested in MMSS program before. Is there anyone here who has is in it and could kinda expand on its rigor and value?</p>
<p>Also, can you get the business institutions minor if you are in a different schools, like the engineering schools.</p>
<p>I was looking for it a few weeks ago too. I think it's gone. The only way to get a definitive answer would be to call or email the school.</p>