<p>With the Kellogg School.</p>
<p>More from the Daily Northwestern:
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Kellogg To Offer Undergrad Certificates
Programs will include courses tailored to finance and management careers
Julie French
Posted: 2/1/07
By Julie French
The Daily Northwestern</p>
<p>After 38 years without offering an undergraduate program, the Kellogg Graduate School of Management will offer two undergrad certificate programs, with the first starting next fall.</p>
<p>Northwestern administrators are expected to announce the move this morning in a university-wide e-mail newsletter.</p>
<p>University President Henry Bienen told The Daily on Wednesday that the decision to offer the programs - in finance and management - is due in part to interest from students, faculty, university trustees and recruiters of NU students.</p>
<p>"It's going to be good for Northwestern in just about every way you can think of," Bienen said. "We thought it was a good educational opportunity that would help our students in the job market."</p>
<p>The two four-course sequences will accept about 50 students each after applicants take seven prerequisite courses in calculus, probability, economics and statistics. </p>
<p>The financial economics certificate program, offered in conjunction with Weinberg College of Arts and Sciences, will begin next fall with classes in corporate finance and investments.</p>
<p>The second program - in managerial analytics - will begin in fall 2008 with courses in finance, pricing and operations strategy. The classes are offered jointly through Kellogg and McCormick School of Engineering and Applied Science.</p>
<p>LOL...what is going on first jhu now nu for business school lol</p>
<p>isn't a certificate and actual bachelor's degree different? or are they just using the word certificate to identify a bachelor's degree.</p>
<p>Yes, I think they are moving toward the BS degree slowly.</p>
<p>Darn...I thought you were talking about the boots.</p>
<p>They are sold out everywhere in the midwest right now... ;)</p>
<p>Northwestern's apparently tired of top students declining their NU acceptances and going to Michigan instead. Tufts will be next.</p>
<p>LOL...if money is a factor. As an international, I chose NU over Michigan. :p</p>
<p>A business degree won't be happening anytime soon.... This "certificate" program is only open to pretty much the tops in Econ and Engineering. So, I wouldn't get my hopes too high if I'm an aspiring business major.</p>
<p>Sam Lee, I chose Michigan over NU, and I majored in Econ. Over the last 3 years, I have known of roughly 15 or so cases where students were admited into both Michigan and NU. Roughly a third chose NU, another third chose Michigan and the final third chose another school.</p>
<p>KK, Kellogg will not just give out certificates. Given the fact that it is one of the top 5 Business programs on Earth, I am pretty sure those students, which I am sure will be given some sort of access to the Kellogg career center, will be in a better position hitting the job market than most BBA students at other schools.</p>
<p>CME is behind this.. pretty serious stuff</p>
<p>too bad they don't offer the program to transfers</p>
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Sam Lee, I chose Michigan over NU, and I majored in Econ. Over the last 3 years, I have known of roughly 15 or so cases where students were admited into both Michigan and NU. Roughly a third chose NU, another third chose Michigan and the final third chose another school.
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<p>Alexandre - you know that anecdotal "evidence"is highly unreliable.</p>
<p>First of all - how many of them were residents of Michigan? And what other factors come into play like financial aid, etc.?</p>
<p>Only 1/3 of UoM's student body comes from out-of-state (which could mean next door neighbors like Ohio) while about 2/3rds of NU's student body comes from outside the Midwest.</p>
<p>"KK, Kellogg will not just give out certificates."</p>
<p>-This is exactly what is being done.</p>
<p>"Given the fact that it is one of the top 5 Business programs on Earth, I am pretty sure those students, which I am sure will be given some sort of access to the Kellogg career center"</p>
<p>-This is quite possible, but that still does not mean that the program is anything more than is stated: a certificate program. The program was created because of growing support among the ibanking/consulting crowd, and is not intended to be a sweeping business program. Further, the program (for now) only takes 50 juniors/seniors, and anyone who is not quite proficient in math need not apply. Also, pretty much all undergraduates have some access to the career services in Kellogg.</p>
<p>It's not very responsible to tell high school students on CC that Northwestern has a "business program" as this is just not the case. In fact, this program may end up being one of the most difficult for rising juniors/seniors to enter.</p>
<p>"will be in a better position hitting the job market than most BBA students at other schools."</p>
<p>-This is probably true, but, we all know that one does not need a business degree to succeed in the job market.</p>
<p>K&s, those kids are 100% international. They all live in the UAE. Attending Michigan is just slightly less expensive.</p>
<p>One of my good friends here is from Abu Dhabi.... and, yet again, attending Michigan is only less expensive for some, not for all.</p>
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K&s, those kids are 100% international. They all live in the UAE. Attending Michigan is just slightly less expensive.
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<p>Right - and international reputation (much less, one restricted to the UAW) is exactly the same as that in the US (if international reputation were the leading indicator - half of the Ivies wouldn't nearly be as prestigious as they are in the US).</p>
<p>"Only 1/3 of UoM's student body comes from out-of-state (which could mean next door neighbors like Ohio) while about 2/3rds of NU's student body comes from outside the Midwest." </p>
<p>K&s, I am not sure I agree with that. First of all, 30% of NU undergrads come from Illinois. 5% are international. Are you telling me that 0% come from Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Indiana, Minnesota, Missouri, Iowa etc...? Whether you like to admit it or not, even elite universities like NU are somewhat regional. Only Harvard, Princeton and Yale aren't regional. Even schools like Columbia, Cornell and Stanford are somehwat regional, with 30%+ of their students coming from their home states. </p>
<p>I have not looked into the demographic breakup of the NU student body, but I would be very surprised if the remaining midwestern states did not add up to at least 10%-15% of the undergraduate population. Overall, if more than 50% of NU students came from non-midwestern states, I would be seriously surprised. One thing is clear, the number is nowhere near 67% as you claim.</p>
<p>As for Michigan, 65% of the undergraduate student population comes from Michigan. But after the state of Michigan, the largest representation comes from NY and other non-midwestern states, not from the midwestern as you seem to claim. In fact, 8 of the 10 most represented states aren't midwestern at all. Here are the 10 most represented states at Michigan among undergrads.</p>
<p>New York: 1,344
Illinois: 1,058
Ohio: 710
California: 647
New Jersey: 615
Pennsylvania: 334
Maryland: 304
Florida: 234
Massachusetts: 234
Texas: 192
Connecticut: 177</p>
<p>That's a total of 4,100 undergrads from non-Midwestern states. Colorado, DC, Georgia and Virginia are also very well represented with 100 or so undergrads each. In all, 20% of all Michigan undergrads come from non-Midwestern states. Of the 8,000 or so undergraduates that are out-of-state US nationals, 2,400 (30%) are midwestern. The remaining 5,600 (70%) come from either the East Coast, the West Coast, the South or the great plains. Another 5% are international. And 25% at Michigan means 6,500 students. Can NU boast of having 6,500 undergrads from non-midwestern states? </p>
<p>And I am not sure I understand your point about UAE. Michigan is actually more respected and recognized in Europe (particularly in Germany) and Japan than it is in any UAE. And even if Michigan is more recognized than NU internationally, do you really think students and their parents don't do their homework?</p>
<p>Bottom line, you seem to think NU is somehow more prestigious than Michigan. However, according to most statistics, those two schools recruit effectively against each other. Last time I checked Fiske, he listed Michigan among the schools that are often considered and sometimes (not seldom or often) chosen over NU. Same goes for Michigan.</p>
<p>KK, ask your friend from Abu Dhabi (I am pretty sure he is a Freshman right?) if he remembers me. I most likely contacted him when he was admitted into Michigan. There are only 2 Abu Dhabi students that I know of who had to chose between Michigan and NU in the last couple of years; one chose Michigan and the other chose NU. Ironically, the one that chose Michigan has connections to NU and the one that chose NU has connections to Michigan. The remaining dozen or so students were all from Dubai.</p>
<p>"Overall, if more than 50% of NU students came from non-midwestern states, I would be seriously surprised."</p>
<p>For the class of 2010:</p>
<p>Other countries 128
Middle Atlantic 308
Midwest 849
New England 100
South 192
Southwest 80
West 293</p>
<p>1950 students. Midwestern = 43.5% Non-Midwest= 56.5%</p>
<p>Also, I'll ask him if he remembers you.</p>
<p>Alright, 57% is more like it. I knew 67% sounded a little high. But my point was that Michigan is very effective at attracting talent from all over the country and world. Like I said, 25% of undergrads at Michigan come from outside the midwest vs 57% at NU. We aren't talking about two extremes (under 10% in the case of Michigan or over 75% in the case of NU). Both schools have large Midwestern populations. Also, it is important to remember that a university can only attract so many students from other regions. Let us face it, the midwest isn't high on anybody's list. I admit that it is impressive that 57% of NU students come from outside the midwest, but you must also admit that it is impressive that Michigan manages to have 7,000 undergraduate students from outside the midwest. That's an entire university population on its own.</p>