How true is this about Cornell?

<p>This was a negative rating posted on StudentReviews:</p>

<p>I was very naive when I first decided to go to college. I thought that if I graduated from an Ivy League school, regardless of my major, that I would be hired into a top position at the company of my choice. My parents and other family members had not attended college in the U.S. before. I had no real career guidance from family members or high school advisors.</p>

<p>Majoring in Communication was a huge mistake. The Communication major at Cornell is a complete waste of time and money. You will not learn anything you don't already know. There is NOTHING you can do with the so-called information and theories you study in that major. They are all common sense stuff you'd already know from being a human. I had about three to five classes that stressed the freaking definition of Communication even! How stupid! They broke it down to a sender sending a message to a receiver and how the message is not complete until the receiver gives feedback of receipt back to the sender. Duh! Do we really need to go over that? Anyway, going into that major was my mistake. They certainly beat a dead horse with all those useless, pointless Communication major classes. Heck, I learned to communicate, as if I didn't know that already. I didn't know how horrible the major was though, until I tried to get a decent job after college. I realized how unprepared I was and how skill-less I was after graduation, after 7 years of bad jobs in NYC.</p>

<p>Also the biology, chemistry, and psychology 101 classes that are required with the major are taught breezily in the classrooms, but the tests hit you like a punch in the face (usually the exams are all multiple choice too). You look at 50% of the exams and wonder--was this ever even mentioned? The biology and chemistry exams were graded on a curve because so many people did so badly on those exams. The teachers in these classes did not really help me learn the material. It was all do it yourself. They assign chapters to read, give their breezy lectures (during which you have to take notes like mad because there are no handouts), and then hit you with this in-depth test that covers a lot of material you don't even remember hearing or reading about. There is no homework to help you learn the material and of course no study guides. The exams at this school were usually a bad surprise most of the time, especially in the bio, chem, and psych classes. And I had a very minimal social life and studied most of the time too. It's not as if I wasn't working hard. I got only As and Bs in all my classes, but still feel I learned very little.</p>

<p>At the university I now attend, a small, career-focused school, where I'm studying pre-health classes for entry into a nursing program (yeah, an actual specific career that will actually pay me a decent salary), the teachers really help me learn the material and teach more slowly. They offer study guides before exams, homework, quizzes, and the class sizes are much smaller. I'm actually learning something useful at my current school, which makes Cornell look all the more unhelpful. Cornell does have some useful degrees such as Accounting, however, considering the mad-pace and lack of learning tools offered in my bio, chem, and psych classes, (i.e., the hard sciences) I would be afraid to take a serious major at that school. You'd probably leave the school knowing much less than someone who studied at a smaller school where the teachers put more effort in helping students learn. I felt some of the classes were taught (such as my Music 105 class that I dropped or my Logic class) as if you already knew the material and were just being given a review of it. If I already knew it, why would I pay so much money for you to teach it to me? Is it all just so I can get that name on my diploma? I actually wanted to learn more and understand why the Ivy League is considered to offer such a great education. I've learned more from my local community college. Notice that Jeopardy champions are hardly ever Ivy League students. That's no accident. If people from the Ivy League seem smart, it's because they were smart before they got there. The Ivy League, at least from my experience, did not make me any smarter. It in fact hurt me and delayed me. Looking back, it seemed like a lot of smoke and mirrors. Though I admit, many of my teachers you can tell had a very high IQ, but they didn't all teach me better. That is, the star athlete doesn't necessarily make the best coach.</p>

<p>Good points: My English classes were all quite impressive, I must say. All the English professors I had at Cornell went a bit more out of their way to help me improve my writing. Even in a big Great Books class, the teacher took time to meet with me to help me improve my paper. I was impressed! Also the pre-calculus math class is very well taught during the lab classes by the TAs. It's not all bad, but my major was HORRIBLE. That was probably the biggest reason I was so disappointed. Had I majored in something else, I would probably have liked the school much more, but I still am a bit doubtful of that. Avoid majoring in Communication like the plague (no matter what school you decide on). Ccommunication is a useless major that leads to no career prospects no matter where you study it.</p>

<p>Another plus: Cornell has to be the most beautiful campus in the world. I just wish I didn't have to cross a bridge every time I go to class. A beautiful place, but I wouldn't want to study there. Go to a more career-focused school with smaller class sizes. That's my recommendation. It's NOT the school name that matters (unless you're going to be a lawyer or the President), it's what you will actually learn from the school. Cornell hardly taught me anything useful and the pace of the classes is much too fast. It's a do it yourself school that makes you pay big bucks.</p>

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<p>but a lot of the courses at cornell are basically teaching yourself…this is what makes a school like cornell what it is…</p>

<p>there are schools that are focused more on teaching and offer environments more conducive at this…</p>

<p>beauty of cornell is that lectures are pretty useless! for a lot of classes. and cornell offers autotutorial courses like physics and biochem. got to love it when theres no class!</p>

<p>Basically, s/he said that the classes at Cornell are poorly taught; the professors go through the notes extremely quickly and hit you with extremely difficult exams with content that were not covered in class.</p>

<p>The social networking is poor, it is difficult to find a job. </p>

<p>The competition is fierce and oppressive.</p>

<p>It sounds like this person was not a good fit for Cornell. It sounds like he/she didn’t bother to find summer internships and on-campus internships/jobs related to his/her major in order to make the most of it. Additionally, the biology, chemistry and psych classes do require a lot of outside reading and problem solving and studying in order to do well. The exams are very difficult and specific and require the student to use the information gained in class to think further into a question in order to solve a problem. They aren’t just about memorizing the information learned in class. Cornell doesn’t hold your hand through the coursework. There are plenty of “learning tools” offered like office hours, TAs, tutors, etc, but you have to budget your time well and get to these things on your own. You need to be able to study hard and apply knowledge in a different way. Cornell offers its students an amazing education if you know how to use it right. Cornell teaches you how to take initiative, and this person clearly wasn’t willing to learn that.</p>

<p>the professors (especially those with tenure) can teach whatever they want during lecture…</p>

<p>so yeah…you will have to read the textbook and teach yourself for many courses…</p>

<p>the whole thing about networking and finding a job is a load of crap…the only limiting factor there would be a low gpa…</p>

<p>cornell is competitive especially in courses where your grade depends on how everyone else does…</p>

<p>Hmm. If this person hated their major, then why didn’t he or she just simply change it?</p>

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<p>The professors anywhere are going to fall along a spectrum. After all, the professors at any university will be hired for their research abilities, not teaching abilities. In my experience, I’ve had several outstanding professors, mostly good or adequate professors, and maybe 1-2 that I would say did a poor job. </p>

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<p>The Cornell name is highly valued as you’d expect and has won me several internships and fellowships.</p>

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<p>Not even close to true. I did premed which is probably as competitive as it gets and most of the students I found to be very helpful and cooperative.</p>

<p>People are very motivated but the competition is not oppressive by any means. The Cornell name will help so much with recruiting, grad applications etc. You should know that when going to a large, research-oriented university, you will not always have the best professors. This is more true in entry-level courses (bio 101, etc) than other upper level courses. No one is here to hold your hand. I have had many great great professors (and great TA’s for that matter), and learned quite a bit. I think that this person seems to be now enjoying a pre-professional program at his/her current school, and may have benefited from a different program than Communication. </p>

<p>It helps so much to go to a top school, you will be amongst some of the brightest people, and will have to push yourself to do well. It is a great learning environment, but obviously it is not for everyone.</p>

<p>I was not much fond of freshman chem & bio there either. Best take these elsewhere, if you can, IMO.</p>

<p>In the end, people I know did pretty ok.
Whether because of, or not, hard to say. But probably the academic rep did help them achieve next steps.</p>

<p>I think it’s pretty obvious Cornell was too much of a challenge for this student and he was more career-focused than academic. He states the Cornell classes were too difficult and he is doing much better in a smaller, slower environment - that really shows fit is so important, some people can’t handle going to such a large, competitive undergrad. Probably an intelligent person who simply does better in a smaller, more focused environment, and would have enjoyed a Liberal Arts college more, I’m guessing. </p>

<p>I don’t get though why he didn’t just change his major from Communications if he hated it, it seems like the obvious thing to do. But he states he thought what you study doesn’t matter, just going to an Ivy would be enough. Well it is understandable coming from a background where no one in his family went to college and he didn’t have that support system. </p>

<p>In my college, Communication is considered to be a “joke” major that all the “pretty bimbo’s” take (i’ve heard people say this!). But I figured it would be difficult at Cornell, as i’ve heard everything is. As a potential transfer it makes me nervous since I’ve heard the Science classes at Cornell are pretty difficult.</p>

<p>I was in engineering. Cornell offered a second-to-none quality education in my opinion. I loved the classes, loved the challenge, and loved the academic atmosphere at Cornell (especially in the engineering quad). I also found help from both profs and TA’s to be readily available. Recitation section were offered for almost every single course and profs had weekly office hours that were generally well attended. Profs would welcome student questions both during and after class as well.</p>

<p>This person seemed like he wanted a lot of hand holding and that’s not appropriate at an Ivy League college. You have to have self-motivation and learn the material through self-study. IMO, lecture is for a brief introduction. Real understanding comes after doing homework, doing practice problems, and reading the chapters.</p>

<p>One thing he said was right: the Ivy League doesn’t make you smart. You already have to be smart before coming here.</p>

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<p>That’s funny. Because the one friend I had in the Communication program spent his time studying the very real and important issue of how public health campaigns can be best designed to limit such problems as obesity, smoking, and teenage pregnancy. Considering these activities still constitute epidemic-level problems in this country, I think it would make sense for people to want to learn about how to best control messages and feedback.</p>

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<p>There are ample study guides, reading assignments, and homework problems to prepare students for their exams. And anybody who says they didn’t learn anything in their introductory courses hasn’t taken a step back and really considered the context in which they entered school. If anything, perhaps they learned too much in their introductory courses and had trouble digesting everything. But Cornell does not disappoint students who want to learn.</p>

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<p>I wouldn’t be afraid to take a ‘serious’ major at Cornell. Thousands of students every year do it and go on to become successful doctors, engineers, businessmen, and research scientists. The teaching quality is actually quite good, provided you aren’t looking for hand-holding, as dontno said. And the Communication major at Cornell does ostensibly appear to be helpful for students in said field – after all, it it worked for Keith Olbermann and the President of Nintendo. </p>

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<p>I don’t think anybody ever said that the Ivy League offered a good education. Rather, it offers tremendous faculty resources and high-caliber students. It is up to you to take advantage of the opportunities that the Ivy League schools provide to you. Besides, it is a sports conference. And nothing more.</p>

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<p>Over 70 percent of recent Communication students are employed, with the balance in graduate school, and feature such job titles as ‘Research Analyst’, ‘Public Relations Associate’, and ‘Communications Coordinator’. The average salary is $40k a year. Somehow I suspect the lack of job opportunities is the student’s fault, and not Cornell’s.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.cals.cornell.edu/cals/current/career/discover/upload/13-Communication-2.pdf[/url]”>http://www.cals.cornell.edu/cals/current/career/discover/upload/13-Communication-2.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<li><p>Coming from a family that has never gone to college, it is easy to take a pre-professional approach to college (how much will this make me?). I think a lust for learning needs to be nurtured and throwing someone in place like Cornell is hard.</p></li>
<li><p>I never had the highest opinion of Communication, but one of my good friends got into NYU Law from it and is now rising quickly in his very high profile profession. </p></li>
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<p>So, it’s what you make of it.</p>