<p>Lmao. Kingofqueens just sounds bitter. That's so sad.</p>
<p>I'm glad we got that settled.</p>
<p>Now let's rank the starting centers in the NBA from tallest to shortest, and rag on the shortest one for being so small.</p>
<p>Yeah Dartmouth sucks. </p>
<p>Dartmouth traits that suck:
1. Highest spending per student on advising and grants (COHE)
2. Best recruiting after Harvard, Yale, and Princeton (vault recruting lists)...arguably as good as Yale
3. Highest income in the country after ten years (Wall Street Journal)
4. Best placement after HYP into Wharton, Harvard Law, Stanford Business School, Yale Law, Columbia Law, Harvard Med, etc.
5. Best study abroad in the country
6. 4 times richer than Cornell, Penn, Columbia, and Brown per student
7. Projected 11% acceptance rate this year, closing in on Columbia and leagues ahead of Penn which has been on decline the last few year
8. Fun-loving, happy, laid back students who also happen to be very successful</p>
<p>Yeah it sucks.</p>
<p>MY HIGH SCHOOL COUNSELORS WHO HAVE SENT 94% OF THEIR LAST 10 GRADUATING CLASSES TO COLLEGE, RATE THEM AS FOLLOWS:</p>
<p>If quality of undergraduate education in the liberal arts is major criteria, then following order: Dartmouth, Brown, Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Columbia, Penn, Cornell.</p>
<p>If specific majors such as Business, Hotel Management, etc. rankings are altogether different.</p>
<p>Wow. There are a lot of people in here who somehow think their passionate, biased, misguided defenses of their school are really worthwhile! Wooo.</p>
<p>Hey-- guess what. The way these schools are ranked are based on where you're going to go and be the most successful. Which place offers the unique environment which will lead to your greatest level of engagement? Where would you step up in a way you weren't sure you could? Where would you get the ideal opportunities to develop as a human being?</p>
<p>That's the only thing that matters. All the squabbling and arguing in this thread is for nothing. It's for a false sense of pride, prestige, and entitlement based on the idea that the image outsiders possess is more important than the benefits a place bestows upon you as a person.</p>
<p>People at most of these schools are the top 2-3% (pulling that number out of nowhere) of the US. That's some pretty tight company you'll have and a rather elite group to be privileged to be considered among. At this point, really, all of the things that matter are individual. Lucky for us, we have so many great colleges/universities in the US (Ivy, non-Ivy, public) that each can offer something just a little bit unique with its own identity that is perfectly well-suited for just the right set of students. Take advantage of that rather than worrying about whether someone thinks Cornell/Penn/Dartmouth/Brown/Whatever is "good enough". Screw them. Go where you need to be.</p>
<p>My choice has led me down a winding path I never could have envisioned, but also never could have followed anywhere else. That was exactly what I expected and hoped for. That's why regardless of what CC, USNews, my future boss, my friend, my enemy, or the world thinks, I know I chose the number one college in the country.</p>
<p>For me. Because really, with this decision, I'm the only one that matters.</p>
<p>An interesting ranking of the Ivies can be found in USNews' America's Best Colleges under the "peer assessment" ratings:</p>
<p>1) Harvard 4.9</p>
<p>2) Yale 4.8
2) Princeton 4.8</p>
<p>4) Penn 4.5
4) Columbia 4.5
4) Cornell 4.5</p>
<p>7) Dartmouth 4.3
7) Brown 4.3</p>
<p>Peer assessment is an incredibly graduate/research focused statistic. Its less about undergraduate value.</p>
<p>Peer assessment-- a bunch of people who have seen typically no more than 3-4 institutions first hand writing about their impression from the outside.</p>
<p>Basically, it's about the same as CC, though slightly more experienced-- it's just a bunch of people listing their nonsense based on their perceptions from the outside looking in.</p>
<p>It's perception/reputation reinforced-- self-fulfilling prophesy.</p>
<p>In my opinion, this is what the rankings would be:</p>
<ol>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>U Penn</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
</ol>
<p>They are all so good though!</p>
<ul>
<li>MIT ABOVE ALL (too bad it doesn't count)
1). Yale
2). Princeton
3). Columbia
4). Cornell
5.6.7) the rest
last). Overrated Harvard</li>
</ul>
<p>Haha I read other threads about kids leaving or going back to school-- and posts are usually moms. Here, on this thread, there is a lot of testosterone flying. "Mine is bigger and better than yours."</p>
<p>Wow! Some of you are extremely immature 17 year olds and others appear to be extremely immature 50 year olds. And there is everything in between.</p>
<p>As modestmelody said- the majority of the students at ALL of the ivy's are top 3% in the country. There are exceptions at each school. There are also top 3% at many other schools.</p>
<p>To argue a few, or even 50 point difference in SAT scores is ridiculous. I can understand it, somewhat, if you are a young, inexperienced "don't know better" teenager applying to schools. But middle aged folk?</p>
<p>AHH! But you are parents trying to feel superior through your kids--just like me!!</p>
<p>according to cross admit data, students prefer the ivies in this order.</p>
<p>Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Brown
Columbia
Dartmouth
Penn
Cornell</p>
<p>After HYP the schools are all fairly close, though. Brown did suprisingly well. Of students
accepted to Penn and Brown, 65% choose Brown. Penn is usually considered the more prestigious of the two, so that struck me as odd.</p>
<p>Penn isn't more prestigious than Brown IMO</p>
<p>Choklit not only can't read, but also doesn't know what he/she is talking about.</p>
<p>Yay.</p>
<p>
My [education] brings all the boys to the yard,
And they're like
It's better than yours,
Damn right it's better than yours,
I can teach you,
But I have to charge</p>
<p>;)</p>
<p>They're all amazing schools so it all comes down to which fits you best. I would love to go to Cornell while I would never want to go to Princeton, regardless of its prestige. Arguing about everyone elses rankings is pointless.</p>
<p>Penn would be No. 1 for me. But for everyone else...
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Penn
Columbia
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell</p>
<p>Penn and Columbia are reversible, and so are Brown and Cornell.</p>
<p>(Ranked by campus)</p>
<p>Princeton
Cornell
Yale
Dartmouth
Harvard
Columbia
Brown
Penn (ugliest by far)</p>
<p>browns campus is nicer than cornells, obviously</p>
<p>
<p>You speak about undergraduate value all the freaking time... It's basically a blanket phrase that has no meaning. You learn the same things wherever you go, and large research universities can <em>gasp</em> provide good educations. The two qualities are not mutually exclusive. </p>
<p> [quote=IBclass] My [education] brings all the boys to the yard, And they're like It's better than yours, Damn right it's better than yours, I can teach you, But I have to charge
</p>
<p>Awesome haha</p>