<p>My D’s GC was totally useless.I learned more from the people here in 10 minutes than my daughter did in four years. She “advised” my daughter that all of her choices were reach schools and that she better find some safeties. Of course she was accepted to all of the nine schools on her list.</p>
<p>With that said, and without getting into a political rant. This is the typical left wing eroding of personal freedoms for the benefit of the public sector.</p>
<p>This information is none of the HS’s business and I don’t see how they could legally withold a diploma and especially, how they could fine a student for failing to report the info (and what wold be the ramifications if they provided ‘false’ feedback?). I can understand why the HS is interested in the data but they have no ‘right’ to the data. I can understand why some students might not want to report back to some administrators at a HS all the colleges they were rejected from and they shouldn’t be coerced into having to provide that info if they don’t want to.</p>
<p>If this were my kid’s HS I’d contact the district office and the superintendant of the schools and inquire whether this is a district policy they believe they can legally perform and challenge them on it and involve the local media if necessary. Most likely this is really some administrator or two at that particular HS going rogue and trying to anoint themselves with the power to force the students to provide the info against their will.</p>
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<p>Do people consider it a violation of personal freedom when you are asked for all that personal information on the FAFSA in order to get that welfare known as financial aid?</p>
<p>Bad analogy. Any information supplied for a FAFSA is strictly voluntary. If you want to keep your personal finances personal than don’t file a FAFSA. No body is going to fine you or stop you from walking in a well earned graduation ceremony.</p>
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<p>The public sector, in this case, consists of all current and future students at this particular public school. Certainly private schools ask for and get the same information, especially if they have reputations as being the kind of school that sends its students to top colleges. Regardless of their political affiliation.</p>
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<p>Applause for SlitheyTove’s post 65!! :D</p>
<p>solodad, just want to add to that…of course every graduate should attend graduation and that should not be contingent in supplying the college admissions results. There should not be any consequences or fines involved, agreed. But it truly behooves students to share this with their guidance office, in my view.</p>
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<p>I would suggest that you write a letter to the school Principal, with a cc to the head of the School Board and to the legal department that represents the school (that may be a county attorney, city attorney, or school district attorney ) — and ASK that question, being sure to cite FERPA.</p>
<p>Don’t threaten, just ask them to please cite their legal authority for requesting such information from students and for imposing fines on public school students. Ask whether there is a local ordinance or state law which explicitly permits such practice.</p>
<p>End your letter by saying that you look forward to receiving a written response.</p>
<p>I have a feeling that your problem will go away once such a letter is sent.</p>
<p>Yes, it helps the school out. </p>
<p>It also helps the university out if you tell them what company you got hired at and what your salary is. But the university can’t tell you that you won’t participate in graduation ceremonies if you opt not to do so.</p>
<p>You are right wrong place for politics and I will refrain in the future. Bottom line, if you would like to volunteer personal information it is your right. IMO it is an erosion of personal freedom if people are mandated to divulge personal information.</p>
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<p>Agree with Slithey Tove. It is beyond me why anyone would want to withhold this information from the high school in the name of privacy. While the fine and threat here strike me as rather draconian enforcement measures, students should willingly provide information about college results in order to benefit future applicants from their high school. When high schools include list of colleges to which previous grads have been accepted and matriculated in the profile, colleges get an important piece of information that lets them view current applicants in context. </p>
<p>In any event, a number of colleges automatically send college counseling offices lists of admissions results for applicants from the high school.</p>
<p>I haven’t seen one person yet on this thread who agrees with the notion of fines, consequences, no graduation, etc. for not supplying one’s college admissions results to the guidance office. </p>
<p>There are some of us, however, who think each student should supply that information. They can’t make you. But I don’t think it is right to withhold it either.</p>
<p>You know, even at our h.s. that graduates 400 kids/yr, if you had 800 800 800, people would know; it would be in the local newspapers. Then, next year, the kids looking at Naviance would know exactly which colleges you yourself were rejected from. And they might even be amused by this “Ha! We know Julie got into WUSL because that is where she’s going but look at this - Mr. Smarty Pants Bill was rejected there!” because they see your data point. (I hope I am picturing this correctly and that is how Naviance works. A graph for each college with GPA on one axis, test score on another axis, and a closed circle for accepted and an open circle for rejected, something like that?)
This is why one might want to withhold this. And I would say it is your right to withhold it if you want to.
At a small high school, it would not be hard to see an exceptional student being personally identifiable on Naviance.</p>
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If they’re interested in the data they should provide a way to have it supplied to them anonymously since the identity isn’t really important for this purpose anyway. Maybe more would feel more comfortable providing it this way.</p>
<p>Midwestmom2kids, that is not the case at our high school. Admittedly, they do not use naviance. But even if a school did use naviance, how do all the other kids know everyone else’s SATs for example? My kids did not share their SAT scores with others.</p>
<p>MidwestMom, I KNOW this kind of thing happens in our school. And the converse (look at the low scoring student college X accepted)!</p>
<p>The OP was not an ethical question of should students share their private information. It was a legal question as to if the government, in this case a public school, can force you to.</p>
<p>For the record my daughter did supply all her acceptance information when she met with her GC to have her final transcripts sent.</p>
<p>soozievt, whenever we have a 2400 kid, it’s in the newspapers.</p>
<p>And as ProxyGC says, if no one from your h.s. has ever been accepted to Harvard and this year, someone is, and she is going there, when kids look at the Harvard graph, there is one closed circle, and everyone knows her test scores. “Can you believe Emily got into Harvard with a 1900?” The smaller the school, the smaller the town, the more personally identifiable a Naviance data point it.</p>
<p>The way I see the information being used at our HS, as an example, would be that the school lists colleges where graduates have been admitted (or attended, one of these, I forget now) on the School Profile. That certainly is anonymous. It is a compilation of results. Now, if our GC knows our kids’ results by name (frankly, I’d want him to!), he would keep it as confidential information but also have a sense of where students from the high school with a certain academic and overall profile have been able to gain admission and that would be useful information in advising the next student without ever naming names. </p>
<p>At our HS, for example, about 0-2 kids per year may get into an Ivy. Nobody has gotten into Princeton yet, I don’t think. But a GC would know that every top student who tried for Pton was not successful but could say to a top junior they are advising, that the HS has had students like him or her in the past who did get into Stanford, Brown, and Harvard, and so the school is at least a little known to those colleges and that would be helpful information to that prospective student.</p>
<p>Well, then some of you guys might not like that at our HS graduation, they honor the top ten kids in the graduating class. Each is introduced and as part of that introduction, some things are said about the kid and this includes where they are going to college. I never heard of someone telling the school…do not announce where I am going to college! (and just for the record, hardly any kids at our HS go to elite colleges)</p>