<p>Wharton (not even all of Penn) alone has produced more billionaires than Princeton and MIT combined … </p>
<p>Wharton has produced more than double Princeton’s billionaires. I think that says something about the power of our alumni in the business field. </p>
<p>At the undergrad level, Wharton has produced more billionaires than any school on earth. (Grad schools included, Harvard takes that prize)</p>
<p>Nobel Prize winners do teach at Penn. The profs in the IVY league all have Harvard ect PHDs anyways. BIG difference eh ? No.</p>
<p>Wharton kills Princeton is placement at ultra exclusive PE firms and Hedge funds. In essentially every BB, Wharton sends significantly more kids than Princeton. </p>
<p>In the same way that you think that Princeton is a notch above for liberal arts, employers think Wharton is a notch above when they are looking to hire kids, placement stats prove that.</p>
<p>Wharton kids are just as smart as Princeton / Yale etc kids, many of them got in there but turned it down. Penn as a whole (with nursing, etc.) may not be as great as Princeton but they are very comparable.</p>
<p>Well, another thing to consider is do you think your son/daughter could remain in Huntsman all four years. I hear the overwhelming majority drop out of that program and just go to Wharton or CAS…many even drop the first day. Regardless, either way you choose, your son/daughter is going to go to a GREAT (as in probably in the top 7 in the world great) school!</p>
<p>This is coming from a prospective student who visited both Wharton and Princeton, only decided to apply to Princeton, and was accepted.</p>
<p>If your son has a chance to get into the Hunstman program, I personally think you should consider that VERY strongly. That’s a fantastic program. Unfortunately, I only spoke French, which I thought was pretty worthless for developing a business compared to someone who could speak Chinese or Spanish, for example. But if your son (or daughter?) has a chance to do Hunstman and really knows what they want to do, I feel like that’s an incredible opportunity.</p>
<p>The thread sort of broke down into a *****-fest about which school was better for business, but Huntsman is a pretty unique opportunity that not a lot of Undergraduates can have a look at. And again, I’m pretty impartial in this whole discussion.</p>
<p>As I said in another post, some posts here are incredibly biased with no basis whatsoever and I think it comes from pure resentment that the great majority of cross acceptances between HYP and Wharton, are in fact, going to Wharton! Yield rates prove that! Wharton is 80% and princeton is merely in the high 50</p>
<p>The yield rates have remained almost precisely the same both before and after Princeton and Harvard did away with any sort of early action program. It is a factor. Nobody knows the cross admit rate between Wharton and Princeton, but i’d wager that Wharton would win. That’s because the type of kid who applies to Wharton would probably prefer what it has to offer than Princeton. The ones that have a very mild fancy with business do not apply to Wharton at all. Both Wharton and Princeton are great schools; equally intelligent kids end up at both. It is just a very different type of intelligence. One type of kid thrives in the corporate atmosphere, the other type thrives in academia. Princeton was pretty high up on my list, for instance.</p>
<p>Wow; Some very interesting insight in to both Wharton and Princeton. Appreciate if you all could throw light in to the following:</p>
<p>Is my son boxing himself to a narrow field by choosing a business undergraduate program at Wharton? What if he does not like business when he is 24 year old? Can he change course at that point ? This change seems easy if he is graduated out of Princeton since it is much more broad based compared to Wharton. Once out of Princeton he can pretty much do what he wants do (Business. Medicine, science etc)</p>
<p>I just don’t believe many 18 year olds can predict what their life passion is. (More so in my son’s case). Most I see switch their studies/career after under graduation. So how easier it is to change course after graduation from huntsman program if my son wants to? In such a case does Huntsman degree helps his further admissions to colleges similar to Princeton? I am asking this question because, it seems to me Wharton under graduate program seems geared towards employment (at wall street, I.Banks) rather than further post graduate studies</p>
<p>Your son can do anything he wants after Wharton. Whartonites become doctors, Profs (Gene Falk at Princeton) and even Supreme Court justices (Brennan). Remember, business, finance, management skills, and all of the other things you get out of a Wharton education are essential in every field. Penn Med School is the oldest med school in America, and part of the med school HYP (Harvard Hopkins Penn), a few Whartonites end up there and at other top med and law schools every year. You lose nothing by attending Wharton since half of your courses are liberal arts courses, so your son can still get a broad based education and study what he is most interested in. When he graduates, any employer and grad school will want him. Whartonites are at the top of the recruiting pile in Wall Street. </p>
<p>Actually, going to Wharton is beneficial because it allows you to then go on and get a law degree or another degree of your preference outside of business. You already know everything the top MBA students know and your degree is respected as much as an MBA, most Whartonites do not go back to get an MBA because it is useless to them. BUT, if you do go to an MBA program, going to Wharton also allows you to place out of basic courses in an MBA program and lets you take more electives, essentially giving you a super MBA. </p>
<p>No door that is open to a Princetonian is closed to a Huntsman kid; but if you want to get directly into Private equity or hedge funds, the reverse is not as true since kids with a business background are strongly preferred in such firms due to their size. Huntsman, along with M&T, are the most selective programs on earth. Your son should be proud. I look forward to seeing him on campus, hopefully. Huntsman has a lower acceptance rate than any college and a yield of 87 % (accroding to some unofficial figures I have seen)</p>
<p>While the Harvard yield rate remained quite similar before and after early action was eliminated, Princeton’s yield rate went from approximately 68% in the last year of ED to approximately 59% for the class of 2013. Penn’s yield rate for the same class was approximately 63%–here’s the link to the Penn story [Class</a> of 2013 yield steady at 63 percent | Interactive graph | The Daily Pennsylvanian](<a href=“http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/node/59532]Class”>http://www.dailypennsylvanian.com/node/59532).</p>
<p>While I don’t want to bother to run the numbers, since Penn accepts 47-49% of the class in the ED round (with an almost 100% yield rate), the regular decision yield rate is obviously considerably lower than 63%–probably about 50%–and obviously lower than Princeton. Although Princeton clearly loses the cross-admit war to Harvard (as does every other school, although MIT I believe comes the closest to beating Harvard), I don’t think that anyone knows what happens to cross-admits between Wharton and Princeton or Huntsman and Princeton.</p>
<p>I have children attending both Princeton and Penn (although not in Wharton). Although I am a Princeton alumna myself, I like Penn and encouraged my son to apply. However, based on what I have observed, the Princeton undergraduate experience is infinitely richer than the experience available at Penn. By far the great majority of Princeton professors are incredible teachers as well as scholars and the administration seems to seek out such people. At Penn, my child has had to wade through some extremely uninspiring teachers (particularly in survey courses) and I haven’t seen much evidence that the administration is working to correct this. In addition, overall, Princeton has paid much more attention to student welfare, starting with a wonderful freshman outdoor experience. By contrast, at Penn, orientation is disorganized and does nothing to help kids adjust and many kids are unhappy freshman year (and yes, there are probably unhappy kids at Princeton as well, but comparatively few and not because of administrative disinterest).</p>
<p>Wharton, however, does offer a different experience. It is extremely pre-professional and it is obviously for those who know what they want to do and believe that Wharton is the way to get there (and I assume that the Huntsman kids are even more motivated). My personal view is that college should be expansive and not limiting and that this is a time of life to explore all options and to open yourself to possibilities. Because of that, I prefer the Princeton environment. I also believe that no doors are closed if you have a Princeton degree, so you are able to get an amazing broad-based education yet still work in investment banking if you wish. However, clearly others will differ and their opinion is as valid as mine.</p>
<p>Good luck to your son–I’m sure he’ll thrive at whatever school he chooses.</p>
<p>Kafekare - let’s see the figures. Post your sources for the job placement statistics and I’ll take back what I said before.</p>
<p>As for the most billionaires, that’s highly irrelevant to me. Princetonians are obviously less likely to go into business (where a large proportion of these billionaires come from) than Wharton grads - if you look at the raw numbers then of course Wharton will have more billionaires. What about # of billionaires/# students going into business?</p>
<p>The information you are looking for is at the bottom of the page. </p>
<p>I am done arguing. The bottom line is: Princeton is a fantastic school, Wharton is a fantastic school, Penn CAS is a fantastic school. You cannot go wrong either way.</p>
<p>I would agree with the observations of midatlmom-- I would personally go to Pton. Have a fun and rewarding undergrad experience and then get just as great of a career. (But if you are really really business-oriented and don’t mind the intense pre-professional feel (which bothers me personally), then go to Penn.)</p>
<p>Uhh, no? The information doesn’t compare Princeton with Wharton. Shows average starting salaries to be 60k, which seems to be a lower than the avg salary of Princeton grads going into finance…</p>
<p>It was not meant to. I thought you were looking for proof that Whartonites go to many different career fields, like medical school and law school right after college. Which is true, as some went on to chemistry phd programs at harvard, penn med school, etc as you can see in that link. Which proves that you can do just about anything after Wharton. You are not limited in any way.</p>
<p>Obviously not 100% of Whartonites go to finance. What makes you think I give a crap?</p>
<p>You claimed the following:</p>
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<p>Show me some stats to back this up. </p>
<p>The rest of your post was trivial. </p>
<p>“Nobel Prize winners do teach at Penn. The profs in the IVY league all have Harvard ect PHDs anyways. BIG difference eh ? No.”</p>
<p>Uh, yes there’s a HUGE difference between the professors at Princeton vs the professors at Penn. Are you freaking kidding me? Having a PhD from “Harvard etc” does not make one a leader in his or her field - I could easily apply to to 5 PhD programs in Mol Bio or Econ and get in, and I highly doubt I’ll be at the same level as my Mol Bio or Econ professors here at Princeton.</p>
<p>For instance, let’s take a look at some of the current and former professors in the econ department, which I am a student of:
Ben Bernanke (Hope you know who this guy is)
Alan Blinder (Vice chairman of the Fed), current professor
Daniel Kahneman (Nobel Laureate), current professor
Paul Krugman (Nobel Laurate), current professor
Arthur Lewis (Nobel Laureate)
Eric Maskin (Nobel Laureate), current professor
John F. Nash (Nobel Laureate)
Harvey Rosen (former Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers), current professor
Harold Tafler Shapiro (Former president of Princeton University)</p>
<p>Furthermore, for Wharton: “The school currently has 278 faculty members, translating to a 17:1 student-to-faculty ratio.” - ha, what a joke. </p>
<p>Come to Princeton and enjoy the benefits of a 5:1 student-faculty ratio.</p>
<p>The lists for BBs are not publicly available so I cannot prove that, but it is common knowledge that Wharton sends the most kids to essentially every BB. Princeton’s career survey does not show where kids went firm by firm. </p>
<p>Except for this ORFE placement (Princeton’s best program for kids who want to get into the financial services industry - so the not interested argument does not work):</p>
<p>As you can see, proportionally or absolutely, the placement does not compare to Wharton in general or Huntsman in particular.</p>
<p>As I said, I am done here. I love Princeton, it is a great school, and it has served America well. Both are terrific institutions. I would not turn Huntsman or Wharton down for it, but that is just me. Go where you think you will be happiest.</p>
<p>Wharton has around 2000 undergrads, with 278 faculty members that does not equate to a 17 to 1 ratio. I am sure John Nash could tell you how to divide that properly. </p>
<p>You just divided the total number of students at Penn by the number of Wharton profs. Very smart, and you got that from Wiki. I respect Princeton, please at least try to ground your arguments in reason. As I said, I am done.</p>
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