<p>You all are keeping me entertained this morning. :)</p>
<p>Thank you MenloparkMom. Everything is worth looking into at this point.</p>
<p>MiamiDap -
My dad went to Miami of Ohio long long ago for undergrad. He was actually 18 and married at the time, worked his way through with a Physics degree in 3 years, then went on for advanced degrees in Physics and Math from Caltech and UCLA. So I assume Miami was pretty good back when he attended. We visited when we went back to his hometown shortly before he passed away and it was surely a beautiful campus IMO with a nice college town nearby.</p>
<p>“I don’t get this Ivy Love thing…”</p>
<p>Me neither. I don’t remember if this site was crashed before like yesterday evening either. Any connections?</p>
<p>Holiday season is upon us. I must say that I enjoy knowing each and everyone that I ran into here on CC and wish him/her happy holidays.</p>
<p>bovertine,
Yes, it is still very good. Some departments are very top in the country. Zoology has been in the top 10, Business school is #22 and stunning new building, attracts many top caliber business students from several states. But the most appealing is attention to overall development, not only academics. Miami has been ranked #2-3 in the country in Undergraduate teaching, they focus on undergrads. So many opportunities, not possible to try everything in 4 years.</p>
<p>Parentoftwo…The information you provided is very telling. I never thought about going to the association site to research this. Can’t wait to share it with my D.</p>
<p>This will give her a lot to thing about. Thank you.</p>
<p>This site crashes every year when a big round of acceptances/denials goes out. :)</p>
<p>You’re right Mathmom. We couldn’t get on it last night at all.</p>
<p>Ivy schools have value in that they signal high intelligence and work ethic pretty much anywhere you go on the planet.</p>
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<p>I don’t think much of the planet has heard of the Ivies, much less have any opinion of them. I would also wager that the vast majority of the people in this country can’t name more than a few of the Ivies, if that.</p>
<p>Another measure of the worth of an Ivy degree is also the extreme compulsion in so many to try to “prove” that they are not valuable.</p>
<p>^And the extreme compulsion in so many to try to prove that it is worth what they paid for it, which, in most cases, is a heck of a lot. </p>
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<p>For some…including those who were Ivy alums like an Uncle who was at Yale during W’s time…it would depend on many factors such as a student’s family socio-economic background. If they came from working/middle-class families…he’d be much more likely to agree with the above…just as he’d be suspicious of those who were from upper/upper-middle class backgrounds and for being possible legacy/athletic admits whom he remembered as being some of the most least intelligent, lazy, and entitled people he’s ever had to deal with on campus and later, in his law career.</p>
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<p>I’d wager that most people here in Minnesota would think the University of Pennsylvania is a state school, and probably not a very good one because it’s not as “famous” as Penn State. (Either that, or they’d conflate the two). Brown? It’s on the radar of a handful of high-achieving HS kids at top private prep schools and a few high-end suburban schools–and their parents-- but that’s about it. A lot of people here have heard of Cornell because it’s sometimes a college hockey power, but I think most of them would not be able to identify it as a member of the Ivy League and many would associate it with other perennial college hockey powers in the Northeast like Boston College, Boston University, and the University of Maine. Most people recognize Harvard as the gold standard, but even Yale doesn’t have the same kind of near-universal recognition and cachet.</p>
<p>I think many people associated with Ivies have a highly inflated sense of how impressed others will be by the university nameplate. As someone who has Ivy credentials to flash, I can report that they rarely do much; after the first job, people are far more interested in your actual skills and accomplishments, and what kind of person you are, rather than where you went to school. The one exception is when I encounter fellow alums; then there’s an immediate recognition, and an immediate connection. But I get just as much if not more mileage out of my Michigan undergrad degree in that regard, in part because there are so many more Michigan alums out there. </p>
<p>Here’s a story about the huge effort Yale is making to try to build name recognition in India—implying, of course, that until now Yale hasn’t had much name recognition in India:</p>
<p>[Levin?s</a> trip shows ?greater name recognition? | Yale Daily News](<a href=“http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2011/nov/14/levins-trip-shows-greater-name-recognition/]Levin?s”>http://www.yaledailynews.com/news/2011/nov/14/levins-trip-shows-greater-name-recognition/)</p>
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<p>bclintock- I know we like to say here that the “name” of your school doesn’t matter beyond your first job, and that many people “haven’t heard of these schools anyway”, but that has really not been my experience. In fact, my son got his job coming out of college in 2010 largely because the “name” of his school appealed to a large corporation’s recruiter (not on campus) enough to offer my son an interview. And, yes, it was that Ivy that gets mixed up with the football school in the same state.</p>
<p>Similarly, my foot (and often followed by the rest of my body) gets in the door for interviews/jobs out of hundreds of resumes because the “name” of my law school gets attention. Is it reasonable or fair? Probably not. I don’t buy the “it doesn’t matter after your first job” argument, though.</p>
<p>That said, I think your performance can certainly trump the name of a school. As I’ve said many times here on CC, my former CEO is one of the most highly respected leaders in corporate America, and he is an LSU grad. We all have stories of very bright and successful people who managed to get where they are even without an Ivy degree.</p>
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<p>A lot more people know about Cornell now thanks to Andy on The Office. :)</p>
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<p>High intelligence? Perhaps.</p>
<p>Work ethic? Not so much ([The</a> American Scholar: The Disadvantages of an Elite Education - William Deresiewicz](<a href=“http://theamericanscholar.org/the-disadvantages-of-an-elite-education/]The”>The American Scholar: The Disadvantages of an Elite Education - <a href='https://theamericanscholar.org/author/william-deresiewicz/'>William Deresiewicz</a>))</p>
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<p>I’m pretty sure MOWC has never mentioned anything inappropriate, etc. about your D. Nonetheless your back and forth has been quite entertaining. What’s funny about this whole thing is that you call people that go to ivies insecure but you are the one coming off as insecure…its fine your D went to a decent university no need to justify it to yourself. </p>
<p>go team MOWC!</p>
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Well, there’s the whole feeling of talking to walls…</p>
<p>This thread is better than a Spanish language soap opera! Glad I stumbled upon it!</p>
<p>Here’s my guilty secret: I love, love, LOVE the reaction I get when someone asks (and I ALWAYS wait until they ask) where my kid goes to school. </p>
<p>It goes something like this: “(startled pause), REALLY?!..wow…” , followed by me answering the inevitable follow up that there was no legacy. If I could bottle that feeling I have at that moment and sell it to people, I’d be a kazillionaire. Of course I have perfected my modest “it’s no big deal” face, I am quite good at it, mmwahahahah!</p>
<p>I fully admit to being shallow and somewhat unfair in that I am basking in the Ivy aura without having to ever do the work my kid did to get there. But it’s delicious, like a pint of Ben and Jerry’s, only limitless in supply and with zero calories. It makes writing the check a lot (really, a lot) less painful. </p>
<p>And he’s probably going to be as successful there as he would have been anywhere else, like all these kids. Who really knows?</p>
<p>Anyway, blast away at me I guess- but it won’t really matter, because I have a kid at Yale. :D</p>