I failed after graduating from university. What do I do now?

<p>First I realize this may not fit this section, but it's hard to say where else I should put it. I'm almost expecting replies to be not so nice given my situation, but I have to try since I need help and I'm running out of places to seek it. </p>

<p>The last time I've been on this site was 8 years ago. I don't think I posted, but I at least knew of its existence. I was in my last year of high school and was about to go to university. I graduated. Today, I have been reduced to a shell of my former self. </p>

<p>I regret having graduated from university. In fact, I wish I was a high school dropout instead. If I were, I would be able to go back to high school or at least get a GED. There would be a clear path for me to take, and once that's done I would have effectively erased the problems of my past. If I just had a high school diploma, I would be able to get into university with it, perhaps more easily as a mature student. If I dropped out during university, I could probably still be able to come back years later and complete the remaining credits. </p>

<p>But to actually graduate? It's a death knell. Sure, it may help if you find a job quickly with it, but what if you don't and become long term unemployed, and no one will ever consider hiring you again? Then all the years and effort you have put towards it is wasted, gone! And unlike dropping out of HS, there's no coming back to fix yourself. It may have effectively destroyed your entire life.</p>

<p>I took my education seriously - I studied hard and spent more effort than likely most everyone else from my observations. I worked during university, I was in a program where I worked alternate terms so it took me an extra year to graduate. I paid my bills through working so I graduated with no student debt. I got fairly good marks. If you saw me at the end of graduation, you would probably think I'm a good example of a solid if not overworked student.</p>

<p>But none of that matters now. Everything I had ever accomplished is gone, and I am now universally decried as the exemplary lazy, unmotivated leech on society and future-less loser. It's a stunning change, especially considering that I didn't actively do anything to cause it. Unlike what others may assume, I do not spend lots of time playing video games or getting drunk or whatever, nor have I had for the most part problems doing work in my past jobs, nor have I acted like an ******* or arrogant jerk in any way. </p>

<p>But I failed to realize a fact about my degree: it has a "shelf life". Not until it was almost too late... and then, I panicked. It may seem obvious to you, but how could I have known? Or even know when and where to apply for jobs, or even that I have to do it. I didn't have family or friends that have had a real career, or any role models or mentors. Most people get constant reminders of what to do after they graduate - they receive calls like "hey, have you found a job yet?" or "I've got an opening at my company and since you're my buddy I'll let you in." But I didn't.</p>

<p>In short, I have been unemployed for the last 3 years. Actually, I do sort of work right now, but it's McJob-ish and to any employer it's still obvious that I have not had a relevant job for years. It's not like I can say it's because of the economy either - people have told me my major is employable but that is not meant as a compliment. They tell me it's incomprehensible that I have not had a job which means there must be something wrong with me personally, and that I'm bigger loser than someone who got a "worthless" degree. </p>

<p>The question is what do I do now. I have thought about applying for grad school. I should mention I'm in Canada and as far as I can tell pretty much the only advanced degree I can go for is a Master's in my own field. Ultimately, the problem is whether or not I have a realistic chance of being admitted. I meet the requirements in terms of GPA but I have never done any research. I'm crossing my fingers that I can find people to write letters of recommendation, if not I realize I probably have to give up. But I've heard the fact that I've been unemployed, or at least out of the field for a long period of time means I'm unlikely to be admitted, which is discouraging. If I had applied right after I graduated, I may have had a chance, but I never knew this would harm me so much.</p>

<p>If you ask what I have to lose by applying - well first I have to pay $100 to every school I apply for. If I have little chance to get in anywhere, I would make myself look foolish wasting hundreds of dollars for nothing. But more importantly, grad schools claim to want someone passionate about the field. The truth is, I'm not passionate and I don't even like my field. I rejected having majored in what I did. I do have specific reasons for why I don't, but I'll just say for now that I did try my best to study something I was interested in, but there are things about it that I could not have anticipated at that time. Part of it is that I'm so dejected and distressed right now that I don't feel interest in anything - I don't see how anyone would if they were in my situation. But if I were admitted, I would work harder than ever to get that degree and I'm pretty confident I can do it. I just need a grad school to give me a chance. If you tell me I should not go to grad school because I'm disinterested in the subject, then what should I do instead? Simply saying "what do you like to do?" doesn't help - I can't give a simple answer to that. I can explain what it is that I really want, but it's hard for me to get that across because I think of it in a different way than most people do.</p>

<p>Grad schools seem to want people with a one track mind who go into their major, never question themselves or look back, and somehow become super passionate about a specific topic in their field. I wonder how many of those people profiled on university web pages are really that devoted to their field for life. I suspect deep down, many of them aren't but tell themselves "I can't back out of this now or else it'll destroy my career." But it's not just grad schools, careers are supposed to be about working in one field, gaining expertise in specific skills and building on them so you can claim to have X number of years experience in a particular area so you can get a senior position and doing that for the rest of your life. Doesn't that sound mundane and anti-intellectual? At my university, I was supposed to pretty much pick my major before I got into university. I think this is a Canadian phenomenon where you are admitted to a specific faculty or major instead of being able to choose majors freely after you get in, but I also think my university was more specific than most. There seems to be this culture where you're supposed to know exactly what you want to do for a career, then the university provides you with a job bank that you use to get some high paying "successful" job and they think that makes them excellent at career preparation. Well maybe that's great, for most students, but it's not what I really needed help for.</p>

<p>I've heard some say that I could still salvage a career in my field by doing unpaid projects on my own and assembling a portfolio of them, which would get me a temp job if lucky, or figure out something that needs to be researched and writing a paper on it which just might convince grad school admissions committees that I still "love" my field. Well you know what, screw it. If I don't get into grad school now (or if I can't apply due to lack of references), I'm going to give up everything I have on my resume, my degree and past job experience, and start over again from scratch. I'll pretend the past never happened. But that is even more daunting to do - I've been to a few universities' sites and I'm not eligible for mature student admission which I believe is easier, since I have been to university before. That's another way having a degree makes things worse for me. If I apply as a transfer student, I'll have to wait until they determine what I can get credited for, and what I would really need is an advisor to talk to. Not a brief chat, but hours of talk to determine what I really should be doing next. When I was in my undergrad, I went to the advisors' office hours - but when it's one hour and there's several students waiting in line behind you, you can't get much across. Plus, I have no idea what my chances are of getting in, and even if I did the spectre of past failure loom over me. I'll never have the confidence I once did when I know I'll have to spend 4 years before I can launch another attempt at a career in my 30s, and that's IF I don't fail again too.</p>

<p>I really don't know what I should be doing right now, and I hope someone can help me on this,</p>

<p>I’m not going to read this whole thing. But briefly tell me why are you so dramatic over whatever the situation is? You’re already out of college, shouldn’t you be happy?</p>

<p>phew…I read that whole thing…
I guess the biggest question I have is “What in the world did you major in?” That could clear things up. Another option you could do is if you have the money to go to grad school, you can start up in something completely different. For example, theological seminaries will basically accept anyone with money and they don’t have any course prerequisites other than a bachelor’s.</p>

<p>So go back to school and get a second bachelor’s, if you want. Or just take classes in some field that you think will be beneficial, either in getting you a job or getting you out of your slump.</p>

<p>Well, if you want to completely start over, why not try to go to college in the US? I know people that have 2 Bachelor’s degrees from 2 separate universities, and are you sure you can’t do that in Canada as well? Sometimes, people realize that they hate their field or that they really love something else, so i can’t imagine a university turning down you and your money just because you already have a degree. Again, my US experience has pointed that people can “start over,” so maybe try contacting an advisor, explain your situation, and see what the professionals say you can do? I’m sure there’s a way! Take care, and don’t be discouraged!</p>

<p>ur wrong…firstly…stop feeling so sad and depressed and clear ur head…for me, all it takes is a trip to a quite beach and a bag of doritos…anyhoooo.heres the thing…
u went to college…u spent 4 years there…can u HONESTLY tell me that u didnt gain ANYTHING? u didnt pick up a single SKILL??? btw id love to know what u majored in!
i recently read a study where it was told that almost 50% of the people actually end up having a career that isnt related to their major…perhaps u can add urself to that?
im guessing ur 26?27? ur not tht old?use ur brain, and do somethin with ur life!!! stop whining over whats past and change it into something positive!!!
if u want time off id suggest u to look into ESL…teaching english as a second language!!! its a amazing way to travel around and teach english!!!or something…in china or europe…
ur life isnt over until u say it is :)and the same goes for failure, u keep saying u failed? so what u did???or more like u think u did… alot of them do… ur the the first and defo not the last…what matters is how u pick urself up and do NOW…</p>

<p>p.s.excuse the typos…and dont get offended…it was all said in a positive way :)</p>

<p>This is so over dramatic and literally says nothing. And you must have spent a while crafting this mess… This sounds like your life must be right now. </p>

<p>In all seriousness, get off the couch and literally go company to company handing out your r</p>

<p>I don’t really know what I just read. I don’t mean this to sound like a slam, but I think you are kind of hysterical right now, and maybe you need to talk to someone who understands these things better. I wouldn’t make any big decisions until you do. Best of luck with whatever you do.</p>

<p>According to another post, you have a degree in CS.</p>

<p>What you need to determine before anything else is WHY you have been unable to secure relevant work experience - otherwise you’ll make the same mistakes after graduate school or a second bachelor’s, or whatever you choose.</p>

<p>Is is the area you live in? Were your expectations too high and you applied for jobs you were not yet qualified for? How strong was/is your resume? Did you tailor each resume and cover letter to each employer, rather than sending the same ones out to everyone? Do you even like CS? Did you have career guidance from your advisor or the career center at college? How large was your radius for applying (i.e., were you willing to relocate)?</p>

<p>Before you can even begin to rationally approach these questions, you need to stop feeling sorry for yourself. Right now. Not later, not tomorrow. Seek medical/psychiatric assistance if you think you would benefit from anti-depressants or counseling. But do something to get rid of the “poor me, this is so embarrassing” attitude. Otherwise you will remain unemployed for much longer. No one wants that attitude in their office, nor should you enjoy having that attitude!</p>

<p>I graduated with a BA in psychology. I planned to attend graduate school (PhD), but due to financial concerns I did not apply. I got a full-time job as a sales leader (hourly manager) at a retail store - not relevant to my field, and I felt like a failure and was miserable doing what I was doing. Then the HR position opened up at my store and I managed to get it, and liked it, and now I’m re-evaluating my interests and career goals. You are not a failure if you find a better path than the one you chose in college. But you need to keep your options open, your spirits and motivation high, and you NEED confidence. </p>

<p>Set goals for yourself - realistic ones. For example, work on your attitude and try to find some self confidence and motivation. Maybe you give yourself a few weeks to do this, try anti-depressants, or whatever (I’m not endorsing them, it’s just an idea if you think it would help). Then begin answering the questions I posed above. Maybe have a few short-term goals (getting back into school, getting a few interviews), and a few long-term goals (working for XYZ company). Be flexible, as your goals and options might change over time. But once you figure out what went wrong the first time, no longer look back, only forward.</p>

<p>Maybe the post is a little bit dramatic, and parts of it appear to say, as others complained, “this is an option I might have, but it takes too much effort.” However, mostly the replies you guys have are no better. You are simply telling the OP, “I had far more opportunities and support given to me than you ever did, so stop whining. There were opportunities out there, I just had them instead of you.” Some of you appear to be even more disconnected with reality than the supposedly “hysterical” OP. </p>

<p>Your suggestions for action are stated in a way as to suggest that as long as the OP puts forth the effort, the action will automatically be successful. These are actions you think the OP should do out of desperation as a last resort, if he cannot get any “normal” opportunities. Yet you are completely ignorant of (or completely apathetic to) what is likely the OP’s situation: the “normal” opportunities to the OP are less than your “normal” opportunities, and the desperate measures you are suggesting have already been attempted as part of the OP’s actual “normal” opportunities. I love it when the priviledged are given opportunity, work less to take advantage of it, are “successful,” and then condemn those that get less opportunity and work more to take advantage of it, as “lazy losers feeling sorry for themselves.”</p>

<p>Personally, I feel that the OP is struggling with an inward type of problem that none of us can really quel with advice. I agree that condescending attitudes are out of order, but I don’t see anything wrong with people sharing their situations and offering other seemingly last-resort options. The OP needs to see that there’s hope and always an option available, and since there is limited information on some parts, I think the non-critical posters are really just trying to help and go with what they know from their opportunities. (I know that Canada has a different system than America, so I was very hesitant to even comment since it’s out of my comfort zone, so to speak)</p>

<p>GoalsOriented - you seem to know a lot about what the OP doesn’t need, yet you failed to offer any better advice yourself. There are varying degrees of personal characteristics, education, skill sets, etc. among college graduates. Not everyone makes it, and it is sad when they are unable to pursue a career in a field they love, or in a field they dedicated their educational experiences to. But sometimes there comes a time when you need to move on and find another way to either do what you love, or find new goals and new loves. </p>

<p>Attitude can make or break you. And as tough as it sounds, losing the bad attitude is only going to help the OP to clear their mind and pursue what it is they need to pursue. It will also lift a weight off their shoulders and may even make them happier - so hearing some “tough love” might not be pleasant, but it is in the best interest of the OP. At least it is when coming from me, as I cannot speak for the intentions of the other posters. </p>

<p>I agree that the problem is primarily inward, and that needs to be addressed before the outward circumstances can be changed. But no one here can force the OP to do it - they have to really want the help. Sometimes hearing stories about others who struggle and eventually succeed is enough to motivate someone, sometimes it is not enough. I certainly know what it’s like to struggle with inward negativity, depression, anxiety, hate…but it is not always a life-long battle if you’re truly open to help and change.</p>

<p>GoalsOriented, what would you have OP do?</p>

<p>I really have no idea what the OP should do in terms of practical actions/decisions. If I knew that, the first thing I would do is help myself, as I am in a similar situation as the OP (some ways better, some ways worse). Despite what the “American Dream” claims, sometimes people end up in bad situations at little to no fault of their own, with no discernible way out.</p>

<p>The OP gave an explanation of the circumstances and asked for advice, and instead of just giving the OP advice or ignoring the post if they had none to give, multiple people responded with “advice,” along with attached comments implying the situation is within the OP’s complete control and it is only his or her fault. Maybe it is, but there is at least an equal chance it is not, yet people automatically condemned the OP because they are “successful” (or think they will be soon) and the OP is not, when it is possible the only difference is they had opportunities the OP did/does not.</p>

<p>It is one thing to give advice, or to even mention things that IS under control of the OP that might be affecting things negatively, but it is another thing to automatically assume the situation is a result of only the OP’s own choices, and then state that against him or her along with your “advice.” Multiple people did that, and others made some of the same ridiculous assumptions, despite being good-intentioned, but at least they did not add any negative comments along with their suggestions.</p>

<p>The only advice I have to give is:</p>

<p>1) If you tried hard, don’t blame yourself that you did not achieve whatever short-term and medium-term goals you sought and did not reach. You did more than most people, most likely more than every single one of the people that say anything intentionally negative to you.</p>

<p>2) I think you need to re-examine your definition of failure / success. Would you consider someone who was born in Africa, lived hungry day to day for their entire life, thought about ways to help him or herself and the rest of the village, never could find a way, and then died at an early age, a failure? Your current definition of failure / success would consider both yourself and that African a failure, and unfortunately most people subscribe to that definition of failure / success. You are seeing first-hand the injustices of this attitude, why even subscribe to it?</p>

<p>Maybe “success” is the wrong term to use in the first place, but you should judge yourself and others based on genuine, good-intentioned effort (not the results) to both self-improve and improve the lives of others, regardless if one accomplishes end-goals or not. Be a better person, don’t subscribe to this self-centered material/power/prestige-focused attitude that is now so prevalent. Even if one day you become “successful” according to the other definition, keep being a better person and don’t degrade yourself to that level just because you are no longer a person it directly affects.</p>

<p>3) After you choose your own definition of success (or replace “success” with a better criteria), set new goals accordingly. Maybe you still will not be able to achieve them, but the pursuit is what counts. If you do not have the resources to even pursue worthwhile goals, well at least you tried when you had the resources and also rejected the self-centered goals that most seek. Just make sure that you really don’t have the resources to pursue worthwhile goals. Some worthwhile goals are much less “expensive” than the unworthy ones.</p>

<p>There is nothing inherently wrong with a McDonalds-style job if you have other worthwhile goals, and nothing wrong practically if your specific job pays enough to live on, which is unfortunately rare for that kind of job. Concerning practical problems like that, I do not have any advice to give because so far I cannot solve those same problems in my own life.</p>

<p>4) If you do decide to get rid of this internal conflict you seem to have, subscribing to this ridiculous worship of unworthy “success” while at the same time unable to achieve it yourself (and therefore condemning yourself), you need to also get away from anyone that refuses to stop pushing this attitude on you. Your post makes it sound like you’re surrounded by family and/or “friends” that make unjustified judgemental / condemning comments to you. Politely ask them to stop with the negativity, except when it is TRULY constructive…and trust me, from experience I know it rarely is, and if they don’t, just stop talking to them and stop seeing them.</p>

<p>True friends and worthwhile family (worthwhile as in mutually supportive and not just blood ties) are not hostile like that, though unfortunately are much more rare. Do not be a loner though, instead look for new, better friends as replacements :slight_smile: Get involved in activities outside of work if you can. You will meet a lot of the same type of jerks, but just keep looking and filtering them out until you slowly find decent people.</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>You didn’t say what your major was… which is pretty significant.</p>

<p>Look where the jobs are in your area. Maybe medical trancription, maybe eleveator repair, get a list of what jobs that are better than what you have are that you might be able to do with a little more training and start working towards that sort of training in certificate programs. In the US, community colleges and even some community centers have programs in some things that are marketable skills but are not degree programs and they cost relatively little.</p>

<p>I’ve told many a graduate from some selective colleges to do this. By getting a marketable skill and into a job that still may not be ideal, but is a step up from minimum wage work, you can get into a system and look for opportunities for other positions to open with some experience in your job and the university degree you have in your pocket. It gives you a good toe hold to start that climb. </p>

<p>It has been rough, job wise in the last several years, and you are not at all alone.</p>