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California schools are weird. It seems to me, at least way out here on the east coast, that California schools are either super-elite or super-easy. I mean, if you don't get into UCLA, USC, Berkeley, or Stanford, (which are all almost impossible for the average student to get into) where do you go? I'm sure there are decent schools, but no big-name schools. For example, out here, outside of the Ivies and other top schools, students can go to Pitt, Ohio State, Virginia Tech, Boston College, UMass, Syracuse, UDel, UConn, Rutgers, Maryland-- all within a couple hours' drive. These are all very well-respected, well-known schools, but the average (B) student actually has a chance to get in. It really doesn't seem like there is any middle ground in California. Am I wrong in thinking this?
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Going straight by numbers - most UC campuses are comparable to virginia tech. three (berkeley, LA, SD,) are substantially higher, the other six are mostly comparable, give or take some in either direction. A california resident with over a 3.0 gpa is actually guaranteed admission in to at least one -- although for some people it will be a craphole like merced. (to be fair, merced just hasn't had time to establish itself yet.)</p>
<p>the CSU system varies pretty widely - calpoly is VTish except in architecture (comparable to UVA in architecture,) SDSU is pretty much VTish too. the rest of the CSU's are a bit lower, generally probably a little worse than george mason by numbers. they've been getting ragged on a lot for budget issues lately though, and probably deserve it. there are twenty three of them.</p>
<p>there are thirty two public schools in california that, by the numbers, range from a little (maybe 30 points a sat section) lower than george mason, to better than than any eastern public with the possible exception of UVA depending on who you talk to. I'll be going to berkeley next year, but wouldn't have been terribly ashamed to end up at any of probably six or seven state schools.</p>
<p>for privates, we have the claremonts, caltech, stanford, reed, as big names that immediately pop in to my head. there are probably ten or fifteen classical liberal arts colleges in the northwest that are often as affordable as state schools that have numbers better than tech's, and reputations a good bit better.</p>
<p>I'm missing a bunch, but hey, it's late.</p>
<p>It does seem like california people tend to sound kind of dire about not getting in to cal/la, but I wouldn't at all say that we have fewer good viable choices than someone on the east coast. names like UCSB/UCI/calpoly may not be as widely recognized in virginia as virginia tech is; but equally, virginia tech is not as widely recognized here. The problem with middle-tier schools is that they are only widely known within their own area. (as a note, I have lived in both virginia and california for several years. I based comparisons off of tech instead of a different school you mentioned, because I'm most familiar with it.)</p>