<p>quick question: when was the exact date they started sending admittances?</p>
<p>I think for the non-rolling that it's March 30th 5:00pm.</p>
<p>I know several people who went to Cornell pre-med and all of them recommended against going there if that is what you want to do (what I want to do). I know Cornell Engineering is amazing, but while the med school placement may look good I've heard that relative to the number of other pre-meds there are it is ridiculous to get the grades + the work exp + the recommendations.</p>
<p>If you can't handle it, then don't come. Plenty of people do just fine here.</p>
<p>Not going to a great university just because you think you MIGHT not get a good grade is ridiculous. If you work hard, you will get a good grade. Your class rank/medium GPA is listed on your transcript as well if you are still worried about your GPA.</p>
<p>Besides, if one cannot handle the hardships of any undergraduate program, chances are, they are not designed to handle Medical school.</p>
<p>how are people finding out if they are accepted or not this early??</p>
<p>So you call Colgate a "better school" because it's less competitive? That's sensible.</p>
<p>sarit_om - see about 20 other posts on this forum right now. Certain colleges at Cornell have rolling decisions beginning in February.</p>
<p>I would say of the people at Colgate who applied to Cornell too that about 1/3 of them got into Cornell.</p>
<p>Because Cornell is basically seven different schools in one quasi-urban location and Colgate one school in one quite rural location, the OP's assessment would be true based on e.g. if the comparison is between Colgate and Cornell's CAS or CALS (obviously not engineering or hotel school) -- Also, depending on which school you're applying to at Cornell, it's harder to get into Colgate than Cornell (e.g., ILR and HumEc are easier than Colgate, especially for NY residents). Also, both Colgate and Cornell consistently denies admission to candidates that the other accepts, but Colgate in my experience often denies applicants accepted by Cornell, again depending on the Cornell school that the candidate is applying to (especially the contract schools). I do believe that because of the size of Cornell being 8 times that of Colgate that it is less "elite" than Colgate, and requires Colgate to make harsher decisions based on space restrictions. </p>
<p>As for Cornell being one of the top 10 universities in America, that is a questionable statement (again it depends on the Cornell school; if engineering for example, that could be a true statement). Over all, universities that are "better" than Cornell IMHO include Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, Duke, Georgetown, UVa, Dartmouth, Penn, Brown, Columbia, Berkeley as well as MIT, CalTech and possibly Michigan and UNC (as well as a couple of LACs, namely Amherst, Pomona, Williams and Swarthmore). Again, that's putting colleges and universities into a vertical appraisal when they should be grouped, IMHO, horizontally in tiers.</p>
<p>I believe that overall the caliber of education to be found at both Colgate and Cornell puts them on equal footing (in the same tier), but depending on the Cornell school the applicant is applying to, Colgate can be the more difficult school to get into. I have also known of several acceptees at both schools who have chosen one over the other for strictly personal reasons, usually campus feel and climate since they are so opposite -- large and impersonal vs. small and intimate. However, both schools do appeal to a similar kind of student, IMHO, engaged, active, spirited, smart, passionate and bright. It becomes a question of where the accepted student would be happier. And that ultimately is what college selection is all about, getting the best education you can at the place where you feel the most comfortable. One student's Cornell is another student's Colgate -- and vice versa.</p>
<p>Ok College parent numerous people on here may bash you with something along the lines of "colgate really isn't the 9th ivy" or things of that nature. I am not going to do that, but I would just like you to take a look at the fact that you seem to imply that Colgate is better than Cornell on the basis of Cornell being much bigger and that some of the cornell colleges are lacking. I would like to know what you think they are lacking in. The ones such as hotel and art, architechture and planning are #1 in the country. ILR has a fantastic rate of placeing students in law and other graduate schools. The engineering is rated behind only schools that devote almost their entire curriculum to engineering or derivatives of engineering (ex. MIT). Many of the CALS programs are unique and #1 in the nation. </p>
<p>As to your ranking system, US News can't even compare LACs with universities so I don't know how you can say Pomona, Swarthmore, Amherst and Williams are better than Cornell. I personally don't think any LAC is as good as a top 20 university. I also wonder how you can put UVA, Georgetown, Michigan, UNC, Brown and Berkley ahead of Cornell. I'd argue that's it better than Dartmouth (which really should be a LAC), Columbia and Duke, but I'd be arguing with too many people on that one and I'm not gonna get into it. I do realize you have nothing against Cornell, as I have nothing against Colgate. I met a very nice and intelligent girl from Colgate at my college this semester and Colgate is a fine institution, but I just had to state my case.</p>
<p>I must agree with Madden bus. As much as I love Michigan, Cornell is definitely as good. Cornell and Michigan are both large, versatile and provide the complete undergraduate experience. I'd say Cornell is more appropriate for those who like a smaller and more outdoorsy locale whereas Michigan is better suited for students who like a more rah-rah college atmosphere. But both are hard to top.</p>
<p>id say there comparable in admissions, i mean just look at stats and sat averages... colgate is definitely not a safety for cornell</p>
<p>but, i got waitlisted at cornell human ecology and into colgate, so id ahve to disagree with ur assumption collegeparent</p>
<p>i'll agree with TheMaddenBus and Alexandre. </p>
<p>One of my best friends in high school got into Colgate and Hamilton, but rejected at Cornell ILR. This is only one event, but it's not uncommon.</p>
<p>My son's college counselor advised him that he was equally likely to get into Colgate and Cornell - based on the admissions history over the last few years at his high school. (He ended up not applying to Cornell.)</p>
<p>By no objective measure of class rank or achievement test scores is Colgate equal or better than any Cornell school except Hotel and Architecture. Of course, Hotel is a specialized school which looks at experience in that industry and other factors, and Architecture relies heavily on portfolios and demonstrated proficiencies. They are, however, the only ones with stats that look like Colgate's. Every other Cornell school, "even" the contract schools, has demonstrably better objective criteria than Colgate. Going farther, Colgate realizes it trails the best of the New England lacs, and therefore tries to position itself against Cornell. It is a common mythos in Hamilton, NY and among its adherents that it is Cornell's equal (and therefore the attempt to throw Cornell under the Brown and Michigan and Georgetown and, for heaven's sake, even UNC's buses by collegeparent.) It is simply not true in admissions and it is certainly not true in course offerings or research.</p>
<p>Not going to get into a p**sing contest here, but regardless there are countless cases of applicants who got into Cornell and did not get into Cornell, regardless of the school -- and vice versa. Know of a Colgate rejectee who's graduating this year from the Hotel School and another Colgate rejectee who's in ILR. Look again at the end of my above post and you'll see that if you prefer one school over the other, so be it. However, even with the excellence of the educations to be found at both schools, Cornell is regretably not a Top 10 university if considered vertically.</p>
<p>exactly, admissions is very random and it definitely goes both ways- its clearly not as simple as if you get into cornell youll definitely get into colgate or vice versa</p>
<p>as i posted earlier in this thread, for class of '09, the statistics between the two are (princeton review)</p>
<p>colgates acceptance rate is 27%, and the SAT Range is 1280-1430
Cornells acceptance rate was 27%, and SAT range of 1290-1480</p>
<p>Of course it's not a slam dunk that any one applicant would get into both, but the applicant pool for these two schools is pretty similar. My son's high school ranks schools in tiers for each student - these schools you are likely to get into, these schools you are very likely to get into, etc., with associated estimated % chances of getting in. Colgate and Cornell were ranked the same, same % chance for him. The counselor comes up with these ratings based on a detailed analysis of admissions history over the last several years for students applying from this private high school. No guarantees but it's pretty accurate year to year.</p>