I Hate Affirmative Action!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Applying to College
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<p>"Oh my goodness, snap out of it. The number of miniorities at top colleges is pathetic compared to the vast number of rejects. Chances are, even without AA you would still be a reject with a chip on your shoulder"</p>

<p>EXACTLY!</p>

<p>Don't use AA as a scapegoat for getting rejected. You want AA? Go back to your family tree, and maybe you will find that one of your ancestors is of mixed orgin. Then there you go, you get your minority status!</p>

<p>Why can't people take responsbility for themselves anymore? YOU failed! You can either come on this thread and whine about how you were supposedly treated unfairly or you can work hard and concentrate on being the best you can be to acheving your goal.</p>

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<p>I wouldnt really call 4.0uw, 1550, 800/800/800, string of ECs, only been learning english for 4 years, tons of community service/humanitarian work a failure</p>

<p>define exact what you mean by
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"YOU failed!"

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<p>i wouldn't necessarily say YOU failed..but they obviously didn't want YOU for whatever reason, and i'm sure they accepted some smart asian who had a better application</p>

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<p>oh gee... is it cuz that description sounds too perfect and they gotta make room for a few 1300 "minorities"</p>

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<p>yeah...probably, oh well, oh and just so you know my next door neighbors are asian and every day afterschool they play basketball for hours :)</p>

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<p>u know what... i dont really care cuz i know the world is not fair.. its whats in you that gets you places... but i cant stand people trying to defend this cuz its nonsense; they know its wrong yet they're still defending it</p>

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<p>"How would you like to "try" at Cornell to the tune of $43,000 a year and then flunk out after 2 years?</p>

<p>I attend Cornell and I absolutely hate the fact that among some people there is the perception that blacks here struggle more. What I hate even more is that it's true. At places where no extra help/guidance is given, URMs struggle much more. "</p>

<p>You are not citing any kind of research, just anecdotal-based opinion. However, if blacks struggle more, is it due to lack of preparation or some other difficulties?</p>

<p>Meanwhile, black students graduate at a higher rate at the top colleges than they do at lower ranked colleges. There is no evidence that this is due to lack of remedial, etc. services at the lower ranked colleges.</p>

<p>Research done by "The Journal of Blacks in Higher Education" found that: " Nearly 19 out of every 20 black students who enter the highly competitive academic environment of Harvard, Princeton, Haverford, and Amherst go on to earn their diplomas. Other academically demanding colleges do very well, although not as well as these four. </p>

<p>Sixteen other highly competitive colleges and universities turn in black student graduation rates of 85 percent or more. They are Wellesley College, Williams College, Brown University, Davidson College, Colgate University, Duke University, Northwestern University, Swarthmore College, Wesleyan University, Yale University, Georgetown University, Stanford University, Washington University, Dartmouth College, Columbia University, and the University of Virginia. " </p>

<p>At Macalester, Pomona, Mount Holyoke and Wash U, the black graduation rate was higher than the white graduation rate.</p>

<p>There is a big gap in the black graduation rate at Cornell: (80% for black students, 92% for white students), but that could be due to black students discomfort in being in an overwhelmingly white small town environment in the middle of nowhere.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.jbhe.com/features/45_student_grad_rates.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.jbhe.com/features/45_student_grad_rates.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>even with affirmative action working against asians, they still make up, what, around 30% (45% for berkely) of most prestigous schools. black on the other hand are like... around 10%? and how about the TOTAL population? blacks exceed asians twice or more. that speaks something doesnt it. they can try to reject asians, but in the end, they have too many good applicants that they cant put quotas on. they can try to recruit blacks, but in the end, the number still speaks for itself.</p>

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<p>Sometimes, it seems that a lot of people use AA as a scapegoat for not getting into a certain school. Even if AA were non-existent, thousands of "outstanding" applicants would still be rejected from "highly selective" universities each year. So, there would still be complaining about how certain students have a certain GPA and SAT Score, and yet still got rejected from an Ivy, Stanford, MIT, Duke, etc.</p>

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<p>xokandykyssesox, blacks are not 'lazy' or 'stupid' and stereotyping them as such is insulting and a bad reflection on you if anything. So you are a success story, so no one helped you, that happens to PLENTY OF PEOPLE, urm and non-urm. Don't use the urm to get that chip off your shoulder. Your 1500/800/800/800 may be impressive, but take it with a grain of salt: more non-urms score above 1500 in a year than blacks over 1350! URMs are not the sole cause of your rejections, I'm sure you could find a non-urm with scores you deem inferior that got accepted over you if you tried hard enough-you seem to be a determined person. </p>

<p>Having high test scores should not give you a sense of 'right' into any school. Colleges are competitive, not everyone can get in, including the high test scorers of the world. My scores were competitive to yours 1450/800/790/740 (hedging the last one, don't remember), I also had years upon years of community service, research experience, and lots of other ecs. I had a 3.75 UW at one of the most competitive high schools in the nation, and I got rejected from MIT. And guess what? I'm a black female. AA does not get you everywhere under the sun, only if you're competitive, and even t hen it doesn't always happen.</p>

<p>And I reiterate I'm highly insulted you slapped a stereotype across a whole race of people, honestly, let's have a rational and respectful debate. I'm sure there are dumb asians/whites/whatevers in this world too.</p>

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<p>i didnt say there wasnt any dumb asian/white/whatever... but dumb asians rarely end up in harvard</p>

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<p>Perhaps I shouldn't have said "YOU failed". More like "YOU weren't good enough." Either way, you sound extremely bitter.</p>

<p>And are blacks the only ones considered as minorities now?</p>

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<p>um... that was the whole point of putting quotations around that word</p>

<p>sort of a paradox</p>

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<p>In admissions, generally, blacks, hispanics, and native-americans are considered to be urms (under represented minorities) in the applicant pools.</p>

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<p>and asians would be overrms</p>

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<p>Yeah...uh,okay. </p>

<p>I'm sorry that YOU weren't good enough.</p>

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<p>hey... this totally parallels the education system in india...</p>

<p>.... if u get the drift of where im going with it</p>

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<p>"Sometimes, it seems that a lot of people use AA as a scapegoat for not getting into a certain school. Even if AA were non-existent, thousands of "outstanding" applicants would still be rejected from "highly selective" universities each year. So, there would still be complaining about how certain students have a certain GPA and SAT Score, and yet still got rejected from an Ivy, Stanford, MIT, Duke, etc."</p>

<p>I have always said, and continue to say that my not getting into many prestigious schools is entirely my fault. But as I said to a friend earlier, while I always thought AA was unfair, it never really bothered me until I started hearing from the people who supported it. There's more racism in support of AA than there ever was against it.</p>

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<p>No because I really don't care nor do I feel like like analyzing your batering any futher.</p>

<p>All I can get out of it is: "WAAHHH! WAAAHHH!" which is equivalent to a baby crying...</p>

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<p>well... if an argument with support and evidence is equivalent to you as "waahh waahh" then i see no point in discussing issue with such person</p>