<p>but i also think that i should get some preference in admissions because I have to go through external circumstances due to my race that others dont have to. it really does bear down on your grades and mental health to go through what I did and I think I should have been given a little leeway for that</p>
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was trying to be nice when i used the word lazy, but u asked for it. what do black people do when they get home? play basketball. what do asian people do when they go home? work their ass off for school.
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<p>Nice generalization, xokandykyssesox. As an African-American, I find that rather insulting that you place all "blacks" in the same category i.e. basketball-playing, lazy individuals. I dont even like basketball--I like soccer, but that is besides the point. What I dislike is when fellow African-Americans perpetuate the very stereotypes that you seem to hold so dear. Do me a favor and give credit to African-Americans who do go home and study their "asses off"--you apparently believe this is nonexistent. Some of you all watch too much television......</p>
<p>Also, dont place Asians in a stereotypical category either. Granted they are known for their incredible work ethic; however, there are many Asians who despise being placed in the category which, in their words, equates them to "unathletic, entertainment-challenged mathematical nerds."</p>
<p>That being said, my problem with Affirmative Action is that it often is the equivalent to a social stigma. Many individuals will believe that you are incapable of succeeding without the quota. Oh well--I guess I will be proving them wrong next year.</p>
<p>Oh believe it or not, I'm going to Duke based on academics, not my basketball skills. Shocker huh?</p>
<p>"but i also think that i should get some preference in admissions because I have to go through external circumstances due to my race that others dont have to. it really does bear down on your grades and mental health to go through what I did and I think I should have been given a little leeway for that"</p>
<p>The essay is the place for that. Write about the obstacles you have had to overcome to get where you are, and the adcom should incorporate that into your overall picture as a part of your character. How well you persevere, how hard you work, etc. It should not however, just be accepted as default for anyone who happens to have dark skin.</p>
<p>stan, i applaud you for your dedication to succeed...you set a good example for all of us, white or black.</p>
<p>Here let me post this again for those of you too stupid to read. I will repeat as necessary, and I will bust out the final killer blow if u guys don't read this. </p>
<p>By the way, in case you guys don't know by now, Boston is one of the most racist cities in the US. Some say it is THE most racist city. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.susanohanian.org/show_research.html?id=29%5B/url%5D">http://www.susanohanian.org/show_research.html?id=29</a> </p>
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New Study Shows that Racial Bias Might Still Infect the SAT: </p>
<p>In recent years obvious culturally biased questions have been purged from the Scholastic Assessment Test. But a new study published in the Santa Clara Law Review shows that questions which don't appear to be biased on their face, yet still have a huge racial disparity in the percentage of students who answer correctly, continue to find their way onto the test. On the other hand, the study shows that questions on sample tests that for some unknown reason tend to favor blacks are always eliminated from the actual SAT. </p>
<p>According to the report, every one of the 138 questions included on the October 1998 SAT favored white test takers. By this the authors mean that a higher percentage of white students than black students answered correctly on every question that appeared on the test. More than one sixth of the test questions had racial disparities in correct response rates of 20 percentage points or more. The authors believe that this preference for questions that are skewed toward white test takers has existed on the SAT for at least the past decade. </p>
<p>It appears that when test administrators at the Educational Testing Service develop a question used on sample SATs on which the results show that blacks do comparatively well in relation to whites, ETS concludes that there must be something wrong with the question. Because blacks historically don't perform as well on the SAT as whites, ETS concludes that any question which breaks this pattern must be flawed. But sample questions on which whites outperform blacks by a large margin are considered appropriate. Therefore, the test makers seem to perpetuate the racial scoring gap on the SAT by the questions they choose to place on the test and by the questions they choose not to include.
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<p>it might not be true either (as i stated). being an honest and being nice are two different things. the point is that someobe with these scores woudl have gotten at the place of his/her choice and someone would not. this is not nice.
to give someone (does not matter to whom) any advantage based on color of the skin is unfair and not nice. and it is a RACISM (=affrimative actions)</p>
<p>A black person getting 1200 on the SAT is the same as a white person getting 1500 on the SAT because College Board throws out questions blacks do better in.</p>
<p>but the way you guys talk about it, it seems as if every black person gets into these schools as long as if they have a decent score. I didnt get into my previous dream school, harvard (Stanford '09!!!) and i was waitliested at upenn. my best friend with a 1450 got rejected from duke. My cousin with a 1550 rejected from colombia and princeton. some kid this year that i met at a weekend got rejected from every ivy with a 1550. it just seems as if you guys look at the kids who get in and not at the ones who have had there dreams crushed as many of you</p>
<p>thanks for the acknowledgement deathcab. Its nice for me to meet people who respect me for what i have done</p>
<p>where is Jesse Jackson?</p>
<p>^ u forgot the rest of my quote.</p>
<p>because College Board throws out questions blacks do better in.</p>
<p>i applaud you for what you have done too stanmaster. But I have to point out that these types of hardships are shared by non-black people as well. Althought they won't be exactly the same, social stigma is placed on many hardworking, ambitious students in bad environments. True, being in your position pretty much sucks. But many non-black students suffer similar amounts of social stigma from other forms of peer pressure </p>
<p>That said, this kind of thing would be perfect to write about in your essays...if written well it prob would be a great boost for college admisions. HOwever, automatically giving you the boost because of your skin color is not fair.</p>
<p>"Here let me post this again for those of you too stupid to read. I will repeat as necessary, and I will bust out the final killer blow if u guys don't read this."</p>
<p>Calm yourself. I read it and have been looking for other websites that either verify or contradict the stated information. I don't take everything people tell me at face value.</p>
<p>I doubt if any of you were born Black, and had to go thru wat Stan went thru, you would not have done as well as him.</p>
<p>Of Course not Flavius. I might suggest white supremacy sites for you to find contradictory information.</p>
<p>Here you go.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stormfront.org%5B/url%5D">www.stormfront.org</a></p>
<p>BTW, I have come across many racists from Boston. So you can understand if I don't take everything u say at face value, just like you don't of the things I say.</p>
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just because they weren't told the importance of the test is not a good excuse for scoring low. if u are disagreeing that they are lazy, then they're probably stupid. u know what... nobody told me college was important. i figured that out myself. my parents dont sit there and help me with homework like some typical asian... when i asked my dad for help in 2nd grade, he handed me a dictionary and told me to go figure it out. JUST BECAUSE NOBODY FREAKING TOLD ME TO STUDY DONT MEAN IM GONNA BE A DUMBASS AND NOT STUDY. i was trying to be nice when i used the word lazy, but u asked for it. what do black people do when they get home? play basketball. what do asian people do when they go home? work their ass off for school. please... it takes determination, it takes a will, it takes SELFCONTROL to make yourself stay up until 4:00 am studying when all u can think about is sleep... heck there were plenty of nights when i gave up sleep all together.
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or maybe therapy</p>
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how many of those 1300 black people do that??? u know fully well that if u sent a 1550 asian to harvard they would be able to handle it. y waste that spot on somebody who cant?
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probably because they didnt want you there xokandykyssesox... cuz you kind of suck.</p>
<p>Common, you can not be serious (about SAT). The problem is that majority of the black students go to the way worse school that white students. As a result their (black students) scores are lower.
However, to give someone an advantage is unfair.
Black community must take better care of the kids, families and education.
It will be next to impossible to improve anything via "affirmative actions" as because it is a RACISM. Some blacks will get better education while vast majority will still experience the same problems.
Time to change. Maybe Jesse JAckson is not right leader???</p>
<p>AA's a fairly big issue at my high school, and we've decided to make something of our feelings about it.</p>
<p>In our government classes at school (I'm a senior), as a graded activity each class has been split into debate groups; the subject of the debate? Affirmative action. The person who brought up the subject of AA and said we should debate about it as our class activity: a white girl who was rejected from Harvard, Yale and Princeton. </p>
<p>When the teacher asked our class who was FOR affirmative action, the only kid who raised his hand was a black guy. In my friend's class, the only people who raised their hands was a black girl and an Asian (shock!!) guy.</p>
<p>The Asian guy had been rejected from Harvard (with a perfect SAT, perfect GPA, tons of ECs etc); he's going to a top-twenty uni on full scholarship. I asked him why he was for AA when he knew that it hurt the chances of qualified Asians. He said it wasn't about it being an "Asian" thing, but about being about "equality" in general. He gave me a long lecture, using words like "leveling the playing field" and "equality" and "unequal opportunities" and used the "enviornment/society" issue-- that Asians, in general, are encouraged to succeed acadmically moreso than blacks in general. I agree with that statement, and I think that it's a good point.</p>
<p>Someone back in the thread said that all blacks do when they go home is play basketball. I assume to have made that comment and be justified, you have met every single black kid in America and seen that they just play basketball after school. And that isn't true. Showing that sort of generalization and racism only hinders you, and hinders people's views on all Asians in general. </p>
<p>Some black people actually wouldn't find it really offensive if someone said that blacks just go home and play good basketball (as it would be seen as a "good" thing, and not a "dumb athlete" issue). I am sure that some Asians actually wouldn't consider it negative if someone made the comment that Asians just go home and study (as it would be seen as a "good" thing", and not a "total nerd-loser" issue).</p>
<p>THAT'S the enviornment/society issue-- I have seen Asians derided for being more athletically-minded by their Asian peers/parents "You just play sports, you're dumb, you're not a serious student", and blacks being derided for being more academically-minded by their black peers, "You just study, you're a nerd/sell-out/acting white" (ouch). I've seen both of those situations repeatedly and really haven't seen it the other way around. </p>
<p>By the way, I don't see threads bashing legacy kids right now. I have heard countless stories of very stupid people getting into Ivies, simply because they are rich and legacies (and they often happen to be white, but that's another "argument"). So why the URM-bashing, exactly? Shouldn't you be angry too when Jane Doe with the mansion for a home and Daddy's Harvard diploma on his office wall gets into the Ivy, with a 1200 SAT and 3.0 GPA? What makes her more jusitfied and less worthy of derision by the angered people on this thread than the URMs who get into Ivies?</p>
<p>Asian Americans used to score 200 points higher than the average white at Harvard. Now it is down to about 80-100. For UC's it is around 50 points. </p>
<p>URM affirmative action is something everyone should support. At the UC's after affirmative action was lifted, black enrollment went down, mexicans went down, native americans went down, asians stayed the same or went down (even though Asians still averaged 50 points higher than whites on SAT), and only whites went up. </p>
<p>Everyone can clearly see that getting rid of affirmative action "purely on the basis of blind admissions" was a lie ( then how come Asian students are accepted at higher averages?). It was just a way to benefit whites, and no one else. </p>
<p>Bring URM Affirmative Action back. NOW</p>
<p>"Of Course not Flavius. I might suggest white supremacy sites for you to find contradictory information."</p>
<p>This is essentially the number one reason I oppose affirmative action. A significant number of the people who support it are simply small frightened racist people who have obviously not learned anything from history nor from present circumstances.</p>
<p>I'd also encourage you to look up the definition of "verify".</p>
<p>Ditto, hilary6. Oh and xokandykyssesox you dont know fully well that that Asian will succeed at Harvard. Merely basing college success off of a 1550 is absurd. There are many individuals with SAT scores over 1500 who flunked out of college due to the lack of focus. Of course this is the point where you come in and stereotype by saying "well since the person's asian they will work hard."</p>