<p>Being Native American is golden in admissions</p>
<p>hazmat, you are so hilarious. why do you even keep mentioning omarosa? :D omarosa and that case are different. omarosa = lie.</p>
<p>I try to find simple ways to humor myself.......I was referring to the personality and hating folks who know they will be admitted.</p>
<p>kcirsch- More Native Americans are rejected than admitted at Harvard, so you don't know what you are talking about.</p>
<p>Race is never the defining factor in admitting one student. That is to say, someone who wouldn't get in if they were white also wouldn't get in if they were a URM. What it comes down to is when picking between two equally qualified students, they'll aim for diversity.</p>
<p>As you enter the upper-tier schools, marking your race is really not much different than marking your gender or your place of residence. Sure, there's gender diversity and geographical diversity, but neither is enough to be the reason one gets admitted.</p>
<p>You must be kidding! I mean you just cannot be serious can you? The best part of your statement is the serious tone.....very best part.</p>
<p>Total enrollment by ethnic diversity
African-American 8%
Asian-American 17%
Hispanic 8%
Native American 1%
White 57%
International 9%</p>
<p>Economic Diversity
Percent of undergraduate students receiving Pell grants: 10%</p>
<p>Olo is right.</p>
<p>Let people apply wherever they want. </p>
<p>I mean if they get rejected...they get rejected.
If they are accepted...they are accepted....</p>
<p>I just don't want those pretentious fools hanging around me.....</p>
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Someone who wouldn't get in if they were white also wouldn't get in if they were a URM...
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Such idealism lol. Sorry, but that's not true. Granted, the top schools will have a large applicant pool of qualified URMs, many of whom would get in if they weren't URMs, but URM status is still considered a "hook" at almost any school.</p>
<p>Warblersrule86- You're what, a freshman at Duke? Why don't you grow up a bit-or maybe make it through a year of college- before you make the statement that underqualified applicants are admitted due to their race and nothing else.</p>
<p>Sorry, EAS, but a student at my school with very solid stats and enormous legacy weight was rejected while a black student who had considerably lesser stats than the former got in at UVA. So that alone makes me side with Warblerule86 on this issue.</p>
<p>I'm willing to take that advice, EAS. I'm still in the process of growing up. It's such a gradual process, lol. :)</p>
<p>Reread my post, though- I was NOT saying that colleges admit large numbers of unqualified URMs (otherwise, why their URM #'s be low?), but rather that, all things being equal, race is definitely a tipping factor, which is something most people won't deny. However, there are cases where race does play a significant role (if they have the stats)- at some traditionally homogeneous LACs, for example.</p>
<p>So you all are saying that stats is the only thing that gets people into school? Essays, interviews, recommendations do not matter? White Materia- you have no idea how either of those two applicants fared in these arenas. Stats are not the only thing. Maybe the student knew he/she had enormous legacy weight and blew off the interview, arrived late, or only wanted to talk about his/her legacy connections instead of about him/herself, while the black student may have done well. The same case may be made for the essays. Maybe the legacy student only articulated to his/her recommenders their wish to attend the school because of legacy, while the black student showed personal determination and drive and that the school was the perfect fit for them. Sorry yourself- unless you interviewed them both and read both their essays and recommendations, you have an incomplete basis of comparison.</p>
<p>Warblersrule86- I don't mean to belittle you. I just get frustrated reading myriad posts here that say statements like " Someone who wouldn't get in if they were white also wouldn't get in if they were a URM..." are wrong- which is what you did say, which is what I took offence with. At many top schools, the majority or even many of the students could be admitted. How does the school decide between equally qualified students? What to do? You are right that they next look to tipping factors, one of which is race. Other factors are legacy, socioeconomic status, geography, recruited athlete, they need a bassoonist that year for the orchestra, etc etc etc. But these are among equal students. Saying that a URM would be admitted with the stats of a white who would be rejected is saying underqualified students are admitted. And that is not true. A college wants to admit students who will do well and graduate- race will not make up for deficiencies in the student's application.</p>
<p>You need to chill, EAS. Don't take what people say so personally and come off unneccessarily belligerent. </p>
<p>Maybe you're right, that's a possible scenario. But knowing the students in question, I doubt it. The black kid personally did not care for where he got into, UVA was the biggest "prestige" school on his admitted list. Considering how badly the legacy wanted to go, and how quickly the news spread, I doubt he blew off the essay and recommendations - they are placed very highly at my school. </p>
<p>He was black, and the school had a diversity quota to fill. One must take that into consideration.</p>
<p>White Materia- I will chill when I don't read ignorant statements on this site anymore. Diversity quotas are illegal. Yet another uninformed statement on which you base your opinion.</p>
<p>They fixed that quota thing now didn't they? Well it isn't fixed but it is no longer a quota.</p>
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He was black, and the school had a diversity quota to fill. One must take that into consideration.
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Eh, I'm not sure that's the case at many schools. Most top schools can fill their entering class with whomever they damn well please. It was Caltech, I believe, who did not have a single black freshman one year (but don't quote me on it).</p>
<p>with all due respect, why are u so worried about her? If she makes it good for her, and for her going for it............there are so many people out there who will never know if they would have made it because they were too chicken to try........a close friend of mine got in last year, HOLD ONTO YOUR SEATS, with a 1230 score on her SATS! WE all thought she was nuts to apply but it was 50.00 bucks and a dream, and she showed us! So relax, sit back and worry about yourself and leave her alone!</p>
<p>"He was black, and the school had a diversity quota to fill. One must take that into consideration."</p>
<p>Wow. That's one of the most elitist-racist statements ever.</p>
<p>Stats are NOT everything, nor is race. I don't know why one student was accepted while the other was not, but you need to remember that they were not in direct competition. My guess would be that, when each was compared to students with like opportunities, one came out on top and the other didn't.</p>