<p>I could respond to the above but I'm kind of lacking in time right now (TOK presentation due...bad, procrastinating IB student) so I'll come back later if someone doesn't beat me to it...but holly_golightly, I'm beginning to think you go to my school...or at least the other in my district.</p>
<p>we have 11 in our IB class...</p>
<p>Ummm. IB differs greatly from school to school.</p>
<p>I had zero time to do World Lits, Extended Essay, and other stuff during school. Everything was done outside of school for us.</p>
<p>Holly-golightly3:</p>
<p>Wow-aren't you a little too bitter. You say you hate how IB kids tend to lower AP Students, and yet here you are, doing basically the same thing, degrading IB students in GENERAL.</p>
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And I don't like AP kids being painted in the light that we are only in it for the college credits. Um, hello, but what do you think the IB kids are interested in? An easier ticket into a good college along with credits, that's what.
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<p>Ok...you say you hate being painted in this "light," yet you paint IB students in this "light" the same way. Besides, have you been to every IB program and seen all the students? Who do you think you are to make a judgement for IB students in general? </p>
<p>I find it sad that the reflection of IB students only come straight from the view of your peers.</p>
<p>Go IB! :)</p>
<p>I'm gonna say this much.</p>
<p>I don't know about other AP/IB schools/classes, but my IB classes are FAR harder than AP.</p>
<p>Simply put, I spend 8+ hrs a week on English HL (I suk at english, but it is also ALOT of work).</p>
<p>I have yet to study for AP Economics and Government (State constitution team champs--we study for competition and not class), and I never studied for AP Chem and AP Comp Sci; well my Comp Sci teacher didn't know Java so we ignored her. I got a 5 on the AP Chem and a 4 on Comp Sci with 1 month of cramming before the exam. For IB Biology, I got a 5/7 and I studied ALOT!!!!!!!!!</p>
<p>My IB school is unique in the sense that we have 100% passing for 4 years now and to keep it they up the difficulty to absurd levels, but AP pales in difficulty when compared to IB (From the classes I take/took and what my AP friends do).</p>
<p>SourApplezz - I made that comment about credits because, if you look above that, someone made a comment that I was the one who was only obviously interested in college credits, while IB kids are interested in, uh, "extending their minds to a place of elite understanding." I was trying to point out that AP kids aren't the only ones going after college credits as the poster had seemed to make it sound like. Stupid AP me...</p>
<p>I Hate Ib..............then Again I Love Ib For It Has Helped Me Improve In Writing Advance Essays In English, Broaden My Knowledge In Us History...................helped Me Learn Spanish In The Level Of A Native Spanish Or Hispanic Speaker...........helped Me Think Conceptually In Physics And Unecessary Things In Math....example Bearings....what A Waste Of Time</p>
<p>holly_golighty3:</p>
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Im assuming that youre referring to me, and what I said was:</p>
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I definitely didnt mean to say that you specifically were looking only for credit, but my word choice was poor. My meaning was that if any students goal was to get the most credit possible, AP is clearly the right choice. If you replace your primary goal with ones primary goal thats how I would phrase it now. </p>
<p>Anyway, my response to bringing up AP credit was because you originally said:</p>
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Really, I was just agreeing with you on that statement (at least for credits). And Im not saying that kids in AP are solely looking for credits; all I was saying is that you get more credits in AP thats a pretty big distinction. </p>
<p>Now as for IB students extending their minds to a place of elite understanding, I think thats a bit of a straw man of my argument. Essentially I was saying that if you cover more of the same things, versus less of more things, I personally, think you get a better high school education. </p>
<p>Of course what does better mean? As I said in my first post, Im coming from a scientific/mathematical perspective, in which I see IB as better preparation. Im not trying to claim that IB is better than AP in all or most circumstances, because frankly, I dont think I am qualified to judge that.</p>
<p>As an addendum, I definitely also agree that the quality of IB versus AP varies strongly for different courses and also different schools, and clearly, depending on your interests or individual school circumstances, either can be the best choice. And consequently I concede that the following was a bit rash on my part:</p>
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Nevertheless, I think it would be best to avoid such inflammatory remarks such as:</p>
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I think you meant to say that they wouldnt admit doing IB for credits. Anyway, as hard as it might be to conceive, some people arent actually in it for the credits. I, in fact, did quite well on my IB exams, and received a whopping zero credits from IB (and knew that would probably be the case during high school). So while I dont doubt that there are students in IB solely motivated for credits, I assure you not all students do. </p>
<p>More importantly, Im certainly not convinced that primarily wanting college credits is a bad thing at all (though you clearly view it as such), and it can be incredibly valuable for a vast many people doing a vast many things.</p>
<p>Anyway, I'm just trying to say that I personally found IB very valuable given my specific interests, and hence that the IB program can certainly be worthwhile. It wasn't a very broad argument I was trying to make.</p>
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Originally Posted by holly_golighty3
Hmm, yeah, that's why [IB students will] all admit that they're in it for the college credit. That's why they lack the most academic integrity out of all the students I have encountered.
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that is absolutely not true....im in the IB program because I wanted to challenge myself academically because regular classes are not at all difficult, at least to me, and IB has DEFINITELY challenged me....and also i didnt wanna be a sissy in life, and take the easy way out because the IB program is really hard and takes a lot of work....i didnt want these regrets becuase if i did take the sissy road to life, I WOULD HAVE NEVER LEARNED SO MANY NEW THINGS IN IB as i would have in regular classes....SO I DIDNT DO IT FOR COLLEGE CREDITS, [flame deleted - Mod JEM] I DID FOR MY OWN ACCOMPLISHMENT</p>
<p>wow, i've never even heard of IB. There's my underachieving school district for you. What does TOK stand for?</p>
<p>Theory of Knowledge.</p>
<p>It can be a good class, but in my school it's junk except for the fact that I absolutely kick ass in it. Too bad it isn't that important cause I got an A on my prescribed title essay =).</p>
<p>this is retarded-- how can all of you people compare ib and ap? if u're one of the few who've taken ap and ib of one subject, then please, type your post in caps so i can learn about how you compared the two. but anyway, in your hs career, if you're like my school and only allows ib kids to take ib classes in jr and sr year, you'll have only 2 slots in your schedule over 2 years to take 2 ap classes.</p>
<p>as for the other kid who compared one ib eng class to his ap social studies, that's like comparing apples and oranges. compare one class of history to another class of history. how could you make the comparison otherwise?</p>
<p>anyway, i prefer efficiency and obviously, ap is the way to go. think about it: 2 years of ib math methods sl vs 1 year of ab calc. 2 years of ib math methods, i've been told, is equivalent to ap calc ab. also, kids in hl math 1 & 2 say that its a lot of work, and some even say its blindingly hard. but i haven't heard any complaints from ap calc ab and bc kids.</p>
<p>but funny thing is, teachers at my school are pretty partial to the ib way, and say that, for example, ap sci kids won't write labs as well as ib sci kids. they also report that kids don't get the same amount of workload.</p>
<p>ap kids, speak up. </p>
<p>and i'd like to listen to your retorts, ib kids</p>
<p>and i'll comment on credit...</p>
<p>college credit ... obviously more schools give out credits to students with ap exams over ib exams.</p>
<p>does this reflect on the RECOGNITION that a school gives to a student with ap over ib?</p>
<p>it might.</p>
<p>VinceVu - I'm full IB, took AP Calc BC, USII last year. Have taken four AP tests. You do not and cannot "know for sure" that IB kids do not take any AP classes.</p>
<p>IB Math tests more than just calculus. AP Calc tests are solely calc-based.
IB English v. AP Lang (haven't taken Lit): IB is more rigorous, requires more analysis etc. On the AP English tests, you write 3 essays in an hour and they're graded accordingly. IB is more like one essay in three hours - and they expect it to be a damn good essay if you're going to get three hours.
AP Chem was an easy 5 after one year of IB chem, and the second year of higher level chem is killing me. Maybe not killing me but...
My school does Euro history, so AP v IB Euro - IB likes to focus on specific topics in history (Cold War, more modern history). AP test covers the Renaissance, more general trends than the IB way of knowing a few topics inside out. </p>
<p>About your second post - AP credit policies reflect on the fact that the AP program is much, much more widespread in the US and colleges don't know much about IB.</p>
<p>agh, let me change what i said--- i forgot-- at my school u'd have 1 class period on block scheduling left to take an ap class in addition to your 6 a year ib classes.--- scratch that--- i learned u can take 5 classes jr year and then 7 senior year--- was gonna ask how did u have time to take 8 classes a school year</p>
<p>My school has 8 class periods. One has to be gym (state requirement), but the other 7 we're free to fill with classes.</p>
<p>-- sheetmusic --- reply to ur last comment--</p>
<p>-- maybe. hopefully both are equally recognized in 25 years. but idk about the near future.</p>
<p>so even with 8 periods...---- h/o--- 8 periods, but all 4 years u have to take p.e. right? so basically u have 7 periods. so then u'll still only have 2 sched slots to have 2 ap classes in all ur years of hs, unless ur school lets u take ap classes frosh and soph year... then thats' a different story...</p>
<p>god. there has to be one kid who took all ap's frosh and soph year and finished jr and sr year by completing the ib candidate requirements.</p>
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